This chat was recorded on FIBS from 9:00am to 9:00pm EST on Sept 11, 2001

(Big thanks to CokeBear for saving this!)

CokeBear: CokeBearNewsFlash: Two Planes crash into WorldTradeCenter Twin Towers

jag: one into each?

CokeBear: yup

CokeBear: Holy Fucking Shit!!! Turn on TV!!

dorbel: simultaneously?

theophilae: a moment of prayer for the families of those killed might be in order..

dorbel: and they think fibs dice are weird

CokeBear: I would guess 200 dead

gammondude: i hear now suicide bombers

jasonj: a moment of prayer for all the gawkers who flock to their TVs

fond: suicide attack

CokeBear: yup

aki: are you guys serious?

lucacp: gg thx

CokeBear: NTSB dude on CNN says no way this is an accident

CokeBear: (This is going to be news for the next 6 months, remember that you heard it first on FIBS)

Karlos: Anyone 1-3?

aki: depends on who sat in this plane?

fond: both planes?

theophilae: gg

rogosin: pictures of the crash on www.bbc.co.uk

fond: 18 mins . between crashes

lucacp: i think the pilots were playing winfibs against each other

jasonj: who won?

jag: not the people in the buildings

lucacp: whe will never know

gammondude: ap reporting plane was hijacked b4 it crashed

lucacp: they are the real droppers

PaulaJones: I am a dropper.

gammondude: im glad u can find humor in such tradegy

jasonj: wouldn't you like to be a dropper too?

PaulaJones: dropping my ratings .....

jasonj: Drink Dr. Opper

fond: both were stolen from united airlines

jasonj: they've robbed me before....

dorbel: the line between tragedy and comedy is very fine

gammondude: i think thats a thin line between love and hate

dorbel: tragedy is when I slip on a banana skin

dorbel: comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die

jasonj: (that's true.)

dorbel: thousands of people will die today in accidents and by murder

dorbel: why is it worse in New York?

dorbel: because they all die at once?

rdd: wow dorbel unimpressed by flying two jet s into a building touch crowd

rdd: tough crowd

dorbel: its an amazing thing true, but I feel no grief , no

gammondude: too bad he wasnt in the bldg

jasonj: beautiful....

jasonj: time for a big group hug, eh?

dorbel: all the people in the building were wonderful people of course

jasonj: of course.

jasonj: think of the children....

fond: so u can judge who'd die

raindance: anyone here in NY right now?

dorbel: two years ago US planes were rocketing a European capital city, where was your grief then?

dorbel: I bet you were cheering in NY

fond: who me?

dorbel: Go Hawks, Go

quine: us planes rocket iraq daily

dorbel: yes

jasonj: (one was shot down today)

fond: u sound so poor

raindance: anyone on here in NY now?

quine: no, i just moved out of the urban death maze, ghouXXXXthough

lewscannon: i used to work in the world trade center

quine: me too

lewscannon: 105th floor

quine: actualy WFC

raindance: lews, is the building full at 8:42 in the morning ?

lewscannon: yep

raindance: that's what I thought

raindance: I wonder if the second building was fully evacuated 18 minutes after the first crash

lewscannon: i imagine that i know a lot of people who still work there

raindance: this will prove to show a heavy loss of life

lewscannon: i'm afraid so, if only from the smoke

lewscannon: we used to watch planes flying past us

luni: sorry sorry sorry petter

cooper: did you hear about the World Trade Center in NYC?

tom: old news

jasonj: where's that?

lewscannon: we're talking about it now

kacer: is it possible to connect via telnet ?

cooper: New York City, USA

lucacp: the first was a 767

rdd: they stopped the market

lewscannon: all roads in and out of nyc and the airports are closed

cooper: i heard that they have closed the airports, tunnels, etc.

lewscannon: and all firefighters in nyc are being called in

rdd: the dow is halted

lewscannon: they're evacuating lower manhattan

lucacp: the pentagon is on fire also

cooper: what!

lucacp: its on dutch tv

cooper: I haven't heard that yet

lucacp: its speculating they are not sure yet

cooper: ok

herestoyoukid: terriost attack

lucacp: for sure

cooper: that is what Bush is saying

herestoyoukid: how did they get passed the radar

cooper: yes, the pentagon is on fire

fond: phalestinian

lewscannon: they're commercial planes

fond: its announced now

lewscannon: i'm hearing that the first plane was hijacked from boston

lucacp: is it true about the pentagon

cooper: yes, the first one was

cooper: yes, it is true about the pentagon

herestoyoukid: aparantly im chatting on yahoo

herestoyoukid: world trade center

jasonj: pentagon

cooper: yes, WTC and the pentagon

cooper: but pres. bush is in florida

tom: cnn'S site is down

rdd: they are evacuating the white house thank god george W is never there

cooper: :-)

jasonj: holy smokes!

cooper: yes!!!

lewscannon: i've got confirmation of the pentagon

cooper: i have cnn on the tv

rdd: shit now i have to worry about incoming planes

herestoyoukid: im watching cnn now

herestoyoukid: they evacuated

cooper: where? i have the tv on in another room

herestoyoukid: theres a fire at the pentagon

cooper: any idea as to who and why yet?

fond: palestinians announced

cooper: for both locations?

Viper: I guess you Americans won't be so keen to bankroll the IRA now, In the UK we''ve had this for 30 years now.

fond: yes

fond: 3 buildings

CokeBear: Did the IRA ever do anything like this?

Viper: About 3,00 dead in total

Viper: many women and kids

lucacp: h

cooper: which location?  NYC  or Wash?

dorbel: the IRA have killed thousands over the years

CokeBear: All at once?

lucacp: they must fly a 767 on bush his head that would be a good thing

Viper: they peak at about 28

dorbel: one at a time? all at once? what's the difference?

herestoyoukid: they hijacked an army helicopter that crashed in to the buuilding

dorbel: the difference here is that they are americans I think

fond: they sez theres a third plane was for pentagon

fourth: thanks for all the invites - but I'm just waiting for Castanza to come back

fond: was a 757

herestoyoukid: world war three!!!!!!!

cooper: please, lets hope not!

piquant: is America at war ?? now pentagon hit

Viper: Where's the anti aircraft guns at the Pentagon?

cooper: who knows!

herestoyoukid: thats what im thinking

Viper: Air travel will never be the same that's for sure

herestoyoukid: no air traffic in the us

CokeBear: World War 3, and we don't know who the opponent is yet

jasonj: all airline traffic is stopped!

cooper: do you really think so?

jasonj: hope you weren't going anywhere today.

jasonj: FAA said so

herestoyoukid: yep

herestoyoukid: all airprts have been shut down

CokeBear: What about planes in the sky?

jasonj: probably heading for the nearest building

CokeBear: Do they just stop where they are, & hover in the air?

herestoyoukid: every tunnel into washington as been blocked

cooper: no, they have to land some where

jasonj: they certainly will

lucacp: i think monica lewinsky was giving head to the pilot

djroecher: can some just give a quick resumee on what has happened? I cant connect to any news site ....

CokeBear: Two planes crashed into World Trade Center Towers

jasonj: the web has been hit!

CokeBear: A bomb at the Pentagon

piquant: terrorist obviously ..but which group ?

dorbel: could all be a giant fibsspoof

cooper: terrorists have flown two planes in to each of the world trade centers in NYC and

CokeBear: No claim of responsibility

jasonj: I heard a claim

djroecher: are you serious about the bomb?

rogosin:  No - photos on BBC.com TF1.com - it's true

herestoyoukid: jesus george bush just aid we wil not reat until we track down those that are responsbile

jasonj: it's a palestinian liberation organization

CokeBear: NEWS: The explosion at the pentagon was a plane crash

cooper: is it a bomb or a plane for the pentagon

herestoyoukid: plane

CokeBear: Plane

jasonj: amazing.

lewscannon: another plane

CokeBear: This is a co-ordinated attack on the ISA

CokeBear: er... USA

jasonj: just fucking amazing....

djroecher: serious about the pentagon?

herestoyoukid: oh well any one for a game may be our last

herestoyoukid: yes

jasonj: yes... pentagon is hit

CokeBear: I'm in Canada, nobody hates us enough to do this

jasonj: capitol building is evacuated

jasonj: west wing of the white house evacuated

herestoyoukid: two planes  crashed into he world trade cener and 1 into he pentagon

cooper: treasury build. is also being evacuated

CokeBear: Americans insist on pissing off the whole world, this is what happens

dorbel: anti chech shirt terroists?

jasonj: amazing....

dorbel: Coke Bear hits the spot

jasonj: I was only pissing in the woods...

lewscannon: apparently a paestinian group has taken credit for this

lucacp: you are right coke bear

jasonj: hopefully no one flies into my house

rdd: oh no howard stern is off the air

jasonj: tragedy!!

lucacp: BEE GEES

jasonj: they've hit us where it hurts the most!

dorbel: lol

lucacp: white house is hit

dorbel: muted lol of course

herestoyoukid: is it white

cooper: was the white house hit?

rdd: would this be a bad time to call companies in that building looking for a job?

herestoyoukid: im iin australia everyone loves us

herestoyoukid: i hope

cooper: :-P)

rdd: uh oh sirens are going off in chicago

CokeBear: Cat in a tree?

CokeBear: or something bigger

herestoyoukid: they just recieved a threat that the terriots are going to bomb the whitehouse

fond: 4th. ! a shopping mall

fond: in W

lucacp: explosionin second tower

CokeBear: One of the World Trade Center Towers just collapsed

rdd: wow these guys weren't fucking around

cooper: completely?

herestoyoukid: watching it on ccn

fond: at NY

dorbel: are terriots responsible or teriosts? We should be told

rdd: what is a terioist?

CokeBear: Anonymous claim of responsibilty from Palestinian Org

herestoyoukid: someone that scares dorbel

fond: theres a 4th. !!! in NY

CokeBear: Denied by other members of that Org

cooper: where is the 4th?

fond: in NY

rdd: i wonder if i can get on tv if I say i did it

piquant: what this time fond ?

fond:  a shopping mall

tom: any idea where I can find that infom online?

CokeBear: nope

Gerhard_Hofer: maybe a new explosion

cooper: as far as i know the news sites are still down

fond: this is unbeliavable!!!

tom: they are

rdd: i need a second

CokeBear: Sears Tower in Chicago has been evacuated

lucacp: i hope it hit puff daddy or p diddy or whatever he calles himself

Gerhard_Hofer: center tower collapses

CokeBear: "Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine"

fond: palestinians denied

spiffy: it's insane

CokeBear: uh huh, real Democratic of them

tom: any problems in Chicago?

CokeBear: Sears Tower evacuated

rdd: sorry

CokeBear: No booms yet

spiffy: the pentagon has been hit

lucacp: i think its an action from greenpeace

CokeBear: This was mega-coordinated...

Gerhard_Hofer: sell al what you have 3 war

spiffy: they have shut down DC

spiffy: and all air traffic, nationwide

fond: one of twins totally collapsed now

cooper: yes

spiffy: nothing comes, nothing goes

lucacp: is the pilot a dropper??

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: anyone in NYC?

CokeBear: Did the NASDAQ open today?

cooper: no, my brother in law is

jasonj: no trading

lucacp: the roof is on fire

lewscannon: yes, cb

cooper: he heard it in brooklyn heights

lucacp: wall street opens low today

Gerhard_Hofer: Lucap: no he play only with bombs

lewscannon: part of wtc1 has collapsed into a nother building

maaty: 3 pointer?

maaty: ich will spielen!!!!

lewscannon: i used to work there

rdd: wow my life doesnt' seem so bad now

CokeBear: All market trading closed today

cooper: r u in NYC?

lewscannon: yep

cooper: did you hear it?

lewscannon: no, i'm uptown

cooper: ok

CokeBear: Plane #4 hit the base of the south tower, causing it to collapse

CokeBear: Plane #3 hit the pentagon

lewscannon: but i know a few people who work on the 105th floor of the building :<

cooper: is it a definite on plane #4?

CokeBear: The south tower no longer exists

cooper: lews:  I am very sorry about your friends

herestoyoukid: they just went on full scale war alert

lewscannon: i worked there from 1995-97

cooper: who did?

cooper: oh

herestoyoukid: america accoordingto cnn

fond: apocalips

cooper: i am starting to wonder about that...

CokeBear: Explosion on Capitol Hill

herestoyoukid: just herd it

CokeBear: Possible Plane Crash

lucacp: maybe the americans learn now they can not fuck around with the whole world

CokeBear: lucacp: not now

fond: so this was a lesson??

lucacp: i hope

lewscannon: no, unfortunately, this is a beginning

cooper: do you really thnk that?

fond: again... palestinias announce they were not

CokeBear: This attack required a large number of people, very co-ordinated...

cooper: yes, it had to be!

cooper: it has to be a larger group to do all of this!

fond: yes

rdd: someone please please alert superman

bedstefar: hej  Barkeeper, venter pX at afslutte med AVRIL..........hvis det da ikke er en quitter

CokeBear: My guess would be Palestinians, but I would've thought that even they would be stupid enough to declare war on USA

herestoyoukid: maybe they were

CokeBear: (wouldn't)

Gerhard_Hofer: no explosion in capitol

Gerhard_Hofer: two streets behind

CokeBear: Who here in in NY or DC?

lewscannon: here, cb

CokeBear: How far from WTC?

lewscannon: i'm uptown, thank god

CokeBear: How do you co-ordinate a hijacking of 6 planes at the same time?

CokeBear: 737s and 767s

rdd: damn i wish howard stern was on

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: ?

fond: a track full w/bombs explode

Gerhard_Hofer: second tower fall

fond: infront of foreign min. building

jasonj: second tower is gone.

jasonj: the world trade center is history.

CokeBear: bummer

CokeBear: I wonder if they will be able to find the Black Boxes from those planes

CokeBear: Car Bomb at the State Dept (unconfirmed)

CokeBear: Another hijacking (unconfirmed)

fond: US is in war allert!!!

CokeBear: Source?

CokeBear: fond: Source?

fond: in TR news

CokeBear: TR?

fond: turkish

piquant: where is it unconfirmed hijacking ?

CokeBear: heading for Washington DC

onthego: my son in law lives in new york

fond: american president 's family gets in to air force one

onthego: lives across the madison square garden

fond: Us in war

piquant: has declared ???

fond: yes:(

CokeBear: on who?

CokeBear: When you declare war, don't you have to pick an opponent?

CokeBear: Who do they reply to?

fond: unknown

CokeBear: 747 down in Pennsylvania

CokeBear: Part of the Penatgon collapsed

fond: air force one on air

CokeBear: CanaryWharf Buildings in London, UK evacuated

SchmitZ: who's ready?

onthego: party time for the arabs

tokendo: Can't get on the internet, but we can play BG wooohooo

CokeBear: This is the place for news

fond: its like an sience fiction drama

CokeBear: I read a book once that played out a similar scenario

SchmitZ: yeah today is my birthday

onthego: pearl harbor all oner again

onthego: over

CokeBear: But at least Pearl Harbor we knew who to shoot back at

onthego: deport all palistimians

fond:  can u believe palestinians can organize such big thing?

CokeBear: Osama bin Laden?

Gerhard_Hofer: a new plane attack pentagon

CokeBear: Is he buddies with Arafat?

fond: never happened such thing before!

fond: its not just to US, its to all world

csg: good morning fibsters

csg: anyone turned the tv on?

Gerhard_Hofer: i think all

csg: Muslims, what great people

fond: yes csg?

onthego: a religeon, can u believe?

csg: has anyone seen tv this morning?

CokeBear: dude, we've been talking about it here since 8:47

CokeBear: (EDT)

SSNAG: Does anyone wish to bet against me that the deathtoll from all this is going to be greater than 1500?

onthego: a sad day for the whole world

CokeBear: try 20,000

CokeBear: 50,000 people work in the World Trade Center

onthego: 50,000 work in trade center

SSNAG: Yeah thats what I fear but I can hope that god guarded some of the potential victims..........

CokeBear: Arafat has "condemned" these attacks

CokeBear: God?

CokeBear: LOL

Gerhard_Hofer: F 16 atacks plane who like to go to pentagon

CokeBear: How can you talk about god at a time like this?

fond: there was a plain through washington for 2 sec. in radar

SSNAG: easy if you don't believe in god then this act of war is something  that is way to much for one nation to with stand..........

csg: Let's have a war

csg: American Jihad

CokeBear: CNN already has a name for the broadcast:

CokeBear: "America Under Attack"

csg: Pablo Escobar's people did this?

jasonj: NBC's .... TARGET: AMERICA

onthego: so is canada cokebear, the entire world is a effected

csg: I think America should go to the middle east and kick some ass

Draco: why are you guys so sure external forces are responsible? What about the nutters responsible for Oklahoma?

SSNAG: csg when a nation state wantingly murders the citizens of another nation a state of war exists.  The United states of America is now at war with an unknown nation but at a guess Afganistan would be my prime suspect.

dice: here in Jamaica no problem mon ~~~~~~~~~~~

CokeBear: What if its Americans (a la Tim McVeigh)?

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: anyone claim resposibility yet?

CokeBear: not officially

dice: don is responsible

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: for the bombings?

CokeBear: NIHILIST

SSNAG: I heard that a Palenstinean group claimed responsibilitly

dice: don is responsible

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: and some country has declaired war???

dice: spliffs for all

csg: who could organize such a thing?

dice: don is responsible

SSNAG: an agent of the devil csg............

jasonj: I think it's C.H.I.M.P

csg: I just took a doodoo

jasonj: that's the best news I've heard all day.

fond: NASA evacuated

Gerhard_Hofer: Source ?

fond: turkish news

fond: reuters too

Gerhard_Hofer: thanks

UnLuckY: 5th plane has been spoted crashed in pensylvania...

tokendo: word of other airliners unnaccounted for

UnLuckY: BelgaNews

tokendo: I can't get on the internet to see Rueter's, AP, etc

fond: pentagon announced to US media... the plane that flies over washington will be shot in any case

aki: one pointer anyone?

Draco: stay here - better news feed than the BBC

fond: im stucked here like i cant log in again

Gerhard_Hofer: in Europe all american officiel building evacuated

tokendo: NBC: Day of Disaster lol

aki: not here in munich

UnLuckY: Smoke is coming out from W residence...

aki: i mean the evacuation

UnLuckY: Gelga news

Draco: W residence?

Draco: White House?

UnLuckY: White house?

UnLuckY: duno, they sais the President's residence

fond: american media sez ussame bin ladin....

fond: taliban gonna make an announcement soon

UnLuckY: BelgaNews says Ben Ladin is the only one who has the means of doing such an attack...

mimicarey: anyone for 1/3/5?

myzd: hi everyone, may God bless all people in USA!!!!!

Tremorchrist: Hello all, condolances to all my American Fibs friends :(

Honeygirl_ll: thx tremor and myzd

myzd: i actually had tears in my eyes when i saw the scene

odonto: come on...anyone...try the coming norwegian champion!

onthego: myzd, me too

Tremorchrist: Australia is thinking of you and hope you flick the purpetrators off the face of OUR earth !!

fond: american airlines announced 2 lost planes were w/150 passengers

UnLuckY: There is a lot of sadness and consternation in the world today

myzd: what on earth is going on taking thosands innocent peoples lives to satify their ridiculous .... whatever too upset

rdd:  wow how is cnn.com down and fibs up?

Tremorchrist: ? perverted aggression. psychotic.

odonto: how many dead?

fond: passengers?  ... all

myzd: more than 1000 now

odonto: ok

odonto: OSAMA BIN LADEN...u're gonna die for this.

aki: odonto, you figured it all out....

Tremorchrist: has denied it already

fond: report sez he was telling this 1 week ago to a newspaper in london

aki: odonto is as smart as fbi and cia together  lol

odonto: told it 3 weeka ago.

fond: another plane crashed close to pitsbourg

Tremorchrist: !!

myzd: by the way where did panes end up at?

myzd: planes i mean

odonto: have to get home...watch the news...odonto, from oslo...norway...thx for this peaceful country...bye!)

fond: bye

SchmitZ: who's ready?

aki: what about the plane flying towards pentagon

Tremorchrist: not sure aki, still some missing

Trilobite: "no longer a threat", radio says

aki: does cnn h

myzd: i thought 8 were hijacked

Symba: one additional plane is still missing

Trilobite: I'm in Brooklyn, and fighter jets have recently soared over us

UnLuckY: US Ambassy and National Airport completely bucled up, here in Brussels...

Tremorchrist: Manhattan lockdown !

Trilobite: Bush says the "folks" who did this will be found

UnLuckY: Have to go, condolances to american friends & allies !

funny: all flight in Canadian airport canceled

fond: america ready to retaliation... to unknown....

gmorgan: OMG  sorry u guys in America     my sympathy is with ya's

Tremorchrist: here here gm

bluebeard: I really liked the WTC towers, and as for the number of fatalities... sheesh..

CokeBear: Another hijacked plane still in the air

gmorgan: where

CokeBear: Was Boston to L.A.

funny: around washing

funny: around washington

Tremorchrist: may it land safely

CokeBear: not likely

CokeBear: It will probably be shot down

Tremorchrist: fair call. hey cb

bluebeard: now there's a tough call

gmorgan: We all know revenge will happen soon enough

Tremorchrist: here's hoping, but not good enough!

gmorgan: exactly

bluebeard: it sounds like no one has a clue who's responsible

Megges: All good wishes to america from germany, We are shocked here.

CokeBear: Jihad

CokeBear: or Osama bin Laden

COS: very very sad

fond: taliban ambassador to pakistan condemned attacks

fond: this rules out ussame ben ladin

CokeBear: My Dad was in the US Consol in Toronto. They were evacuated by RCMP and guys with big guns.

funny: 747 boeing crashed in Somerset Pennsylvania

Trilobite: I'm too sick to laugh at that one

Trilobite: Palestinians in Jordan were shooting their guns in the air in triu mph

Draco: is that the same 747 as before or another one?

Tremorchrist: i feel sick too !

gmorgan: I'm an hour away from Toronto and there shuting alot down heere too

CokeBear: What?

Megges: I hope America will react prudently

Trilobite: I am in New York, the devastation in beyond description

gmorgan: my prays r with you all

Trilobite: Bush couldn't even find New York on a map

bluebeard: X

Tremorchrist: here here Trilobite !

urgu: Personally, I find all this rather immoral... How many casualties did US bombs cause in Serbia, Iraq, and so on?

Trilobite: Bush says the "Folks who did this should be investigated"

urgu: USA is not the centre of the world

gmorgan: it is today

Joe_Tamargo: Let us congratulate urgu on his sensitivity.

fond: american airbase in turkey in beta alarm now... so all others

Tremorchrist: urgu look up the term immoral ok

Draco: what does beta mean?

Megges: black day for the world today

fond: dont know

gmorgan: this is unbeleivable : ((

mat waves goodbye.

Joe_Tamargo: Beta is the letter B.

Draco: oh, such wit

Joe_Tamargo: I was serious.

fond: america closed border to mexico

patrija: beta is the second stage of security alert... alpha being the least: delta the highest

Draco: thank you

patrija: you're welcome

Tremorchrist: i think the world just clicked up a few notches in alert

Tremorchrist: for years to come

csg: who did it?

gmorgan: arms race will start all over agin

csg: America needs a national identity card

bluebeard: Bush's missile shield would have saved us!

Megges: we couldnt allow a few terrorist to stop a peace process for our race !!!

reima: I would like to express my outrage for what happened..lets hope things don't escalate to the verge of a global crisis.

Draco: As I said before, why are you so sure this wasn't the work of McVeighs buddies?

CokeBear: 1) They aren't into kamakazee

myzd: may we all pray for this tradegy!!

Tremorchrist: OMG ? 200 missing Ambo's & Firemen !

CokeBear: 2) They don't have the organization to hijack 6 planes simultaneously

myzd: i thought 8

CokeBear: 8? ok 8

mmteam waves goodbye.

Draco: possibly true, but who else does?

CokeBear: bin Laden

CokeBear: Arafat

fond: so orgnized

Draco: evidence?

csg: it is either kook americans, Pablo Escobar's friends or Muslims

gmorgan: what does this say about airport secruity

Tremorchrist: too early don't guess.

bluebeard: Arafat says he's shocked as much as everyone else

Draco: no way is this Arafat's work

CokeBear: of course he says that, if he didn't he'd be dead

aurel: not a single person is behind: it must be a whole logistic aof a state

CokeBear: Taliban?

onthego: i'll bet arafat knows the bastards that did it

Tremorchrist: Don't Guess !

Megges: arafat would stop all peace process, i dont think that he personally has something to do with this unbelieveable killing

guggus: u are right tremo

aurel: must have pilot knowledge, must have trainingcamps, must have technical support - ergo: a state is behind this terror

Tremorchrist: and psychotic en-masse....

Megges: i think it was a radical group of people not a state

Dutchie: hi all!

Mooncan: What a tradgedy....

aurel: well, not whole state but a group supported by one

Mooncan: Anyone here in NYC ?

Tremorchrist: hi dutchie

Dutchie: does anyone know any information phone number for the situation in NY? my girlfriend works in the WTC, and I am trying to get info...

aurel: NYC telefones are blocked

fond: Dutchie its almost impossible to reach now

aurel: only emergency communication

onthego: i got emil from ny

onthego: email

Brian_J: .... late riser , whats going on  ????

Dutchie: me too... from other friends... but not from my gf... :(

aurel: Dutchie - where are you from?

Tremorchrist: OMG BJ turn on the TV, sept 11th 2001

CokeBear: Disney World has been evacuated

Dutchie: i am in the Netherlands... my gf is from - and in - NY though... she works (or should i say worked, given the fact that both collapsed) in tower 1, on the 53rd floor...

CokeBear: I'm so sorry man

bluebeard: me too... there was about 1/2 hour to evacuate I think

Tremorchrist: WTC no longer exists BJ, I'm so sorry too Dutchie, could have got out though !

nilla: Im very sorry too Dutchie!!

fond: im so sorry Dutchie

aurel: must be 40-50.000 dead

Tremorchrist: many have got out np

pixe: Dutchie she may have gotten out .. lots did in 60 in and under

Dutchie: could be less, aurel... about 20,000 work in the WTC... about 5,000 visitors on average...

Dutchie: that's what i'm hoping, pixe...

Tremorchrist: heard interview with male on 77th floor tower 1 !!

onthego: me too guchie, i'm crying damnit those who did this

Dutchie: thanks, Tremorchrist! that at least sounds good!

socksey: guessing is unproductive....best to hold tongue until true perpetrators are found out.

fond: right

Tide: Tremor, I saw that interview too, the guy that was on 77th floor said that the evacuation was fairly orderly

CokeBear: good news

Dutchie: guess i better play a game... it might distract my mind a bit...

Tremorchrist: exits were ok for some time yes

socksey: hug to everyone!

Dutchie: thanks, Tide! that sounds better than what i heard sofar!

Tatwo: geen telefoon  zeker in america Dutchie???

Tide: good luck Dutchie

Dutchie: nope, Tatwo, all phones are down...

Tatwo: tjonge wat een ellende

csg: how did they get the pilot to fly the plane into the building?

CokeBear: Probably shot him and flew it themselves

Nashvilleman: Probably took over them selves

Tatwo: think so cokebear

socksey: auto pilot?

csg: how did they fly the plane so well?

csg: two direcet hits

bluebeard: microsoft flight simulator!

CokeBear: Are there terrorists who know how to fly planes?

socksey: crazy is not dumb

Tatwo: you bet Cokebear , lot of terrorists  joined the army

csg: I was watching footage from the West Bank where the Palestinians are celebrating

csg: give me a gun I will go to Afganistan

Dutchie: only some, csg... not all!

csg: Dutchie, stop being so politically correct

dorbel: no you wouldnt csg

onthego: just got ph call from ny

onthego: its sporadic access to phones

Dutchie: csg, not politically correct... just realistic...

onthego: cell is out

csg: Dutchie, ergo all Palestinians are good, fuck you

socksey: my aunt in houston says that all of downtown houston is being evacuated

aurel: hey palestinians have problems as well, give solidarity to those who suffer

gmorgan: Dutchie  gl brother  and to everyone else   GOD BLESS...   later all

Tremorchrist: bye gm

Tremorchrist: whoever is behind it was the leader of a minority, not a people !

csg: Tremorchrist, lets talk about responsibility

The_Big_Duck: The Big Duck is FINE! Thank you for your concern!

CokeBear: Where are you?

csg: I am sure there were a minority of Germans that were against the Nazis

The_Big_Duck: On Long island, 50 miles away...

CokeBear: Can you see the smoke?

The_Big_Duck: No

The_Big_Duck: Both my sister and her hubby are in the City...they are holing up for the night with friends

Dutchie: are they ok, Duck?

CokeBear: bin Laden is denying responsibility

The_Big_Duck: Yep...they are fine. My bro-in-law..whom I love like a brother, was in the basement of teh building NEXT TO the Twin Towers

The_Big_Duck: Is that official?

funny:  CBS news : more than thousand dead

The_Big_Duck: Easily north of 2,00 dead

Joe_Tamargo: I can see a tremendous pall of smoke from my bedroom window in the middle of Queens.

CokeBear: 50,000 people worked in the WTC

piquant: wheres he denying it from Packistan ?

The_Big_Duck: I was watching the second crash and both collapses live on TV...blew my fucking Duck brain

CokeBear: I'm shocked, but not suprised.

Tremorchrist: me too

fond: taliban is denying.... by pakistan tv

Mortsport: when they are found they will be eliminated, most likely islamic factions

piquant: the packis are hiding him

csg: Death To The Towelheads!

jag: I notice they're assuming it's islamic fundamentalists again, wrong last time

CokeBear: Could be Iraq, China...

dorbel: bravo csg

CokeBear: North Korea

Tremorchrist: why guess and offend, wait for proof and exterminate

The_Big_Duck: Yeah, but the methodology is NOT Militia style

Dutchie: i agree, Tremorchrist!

CokeBear: This is way beyond the resources of the Palestinians

Draco: hmmm what resources are needed other than organisation?

CokeBear: It takes alot to hijack a plane...

The_Big_Duck: Whoever pulled this off had pilots, exceptional planning, suicide bombers....very puzzling

CokeBear: to hijack 8 planes?

The_Big_Duck: Or Trained pilots

Mortsport: osama bin laden issued a warning 3 weeks ago that an unprecedented attack on american interests would be carried out in retaliation of US support of lsrael

Tremorchrist: extrordinarily successful terrorist act , lex luther brilliant and insane

Festful: some people are speculating if it was american extremists...any comment on that?

dorbel: I suspect the CIA

socksey: that would be a speculation after the ok city bombing

onthego: landing and take offs take skill not plying

Festful: did all planes lift from american airports?

socksey: how about that young boy who made it to moscow a few years ago....

jag: Russt? Bit different scenario

jag: how many of the planes have crashed? any still up?

Dutchie: my girlfriend just called... she was on the 13th fllooor when it happened - purely accidental...

Tremorchrist: 50 still up all accounted for i just heard

Tide: good news Dutchie

piquant: so happy for you Dutchie ;-))

reima: congrats dutchie!!

Tremorchrist: excellent Dutchie

griff: Hooray - thanks for telling us Dutch

fond: **S** Dutchie

Dutchie: thanks guys!

onthego: great dutchie

Dutchie: now lets hope many more got out!

socksey: :)

Tremorchrist: just heard "act of war" from US stateman for the first time

jag: statesman? not bush then

csg: what do we do if it was Bin Laden?

Tremorchrist: is pointing at bin laden, given know one else would dare !

fond: american airbase in turkey in delta alarm now

socksey: i'll bet

Tremorchrist: no "spokesperson" only

Mortsport: cruise missles first to Afghanistan. that is where he is hiding

dorbel: yeah, rocketing some camel drivers somewhere is a good plan

CokeBear: I've been thinking about it, and there is no way the pilots were alive at the time of the crash

CokeBear: All it would take is one terrorist on each plane, with a small gun, and flying skills...

CokeBear: Shoot the pilot & co-pilot, take over the plane, and crash it

Patti: And you don't need that much skill-- you only have to maneuver the plane, not land it.

Mortsport: this is far worse than Pearl Harbor

CokeBear: Anyone here ever flown a 737 or 767?

socksey: we are a larger target

dorbel: though not as bad as Hiroshima say

jag: did they train on Microsoft Flight Simulator

socksey: i've flown 747

govert: apparently not!

CokeBear: How hard is it to manuver, for a non-pilot?

govert: (the training)

Tremorchrist: i wonder if the pittsburg crash was a heroic (US) pilot ?

Patti: Probably anybody who has flown a light plane could fly a 747 well enough to hit the tower.

Mortsport: yes

Patti: You don't have to take off or land, and those are the hard parts.

Tremorchrist: at least for the last run in !

socksey: LOL....not as a pilot

Joe_Tamargo: They say it's a lot harder than driving a car.  You have to keep the nose level.

jag: you'd still have to know certain controls - turn off autopilot etc

Dutchie: this is so weird... i am so happy about my gf... and still so sad about this happening...

pixe: Dutchie you heard from her?

CokeBear: She ok?

Patti: I think I could do it if I had to.

piquant: dutchie thats normal ;-)) and be happy you deserve to be and pray for those that lost lives and loved ones

Tremorchrist: you're aloud to be happy Dutchie

govert:  what is the latest from Manhattan?

jag: were all the hijacked planes from the same airline? how many?

dice: Yankees still in 1st

CokeBear: 2 from United

CokeBear: 2 from AA

pixe: nothing .. just treating the wounded .. all out bound and in bound traffic is halted ..

jag: 2 hit WTC, 1 Pentagon, where else?

CokeBear: Pittburgh

piquant: White house 1

Trilobite: I am about six milesd from lower Manhattan, there have been fighter jets flyong overhead earlier & I can smell the horror clearly from here

griff: I suspect the Pittsburgh one was shot down....

jag: what would the target have been?

Trilobite: My Brother in Law who works nearby got out of the area by ferry, before the collapse

govert: White House?

CokeBear: This is surreal

griff: You got that right CB

CokeBear: President is at an AFB in Louisiana

Patti: Friend of mine is in DC right now; she and I are supposed to be going to London on Thursday.

Tremorchrist: i heard them interview tom clancy --- surreal.

CokeBear: Clancy has predicted shit like this for years

Trilobite: Bush has been brought to Shrevesport, LA

Tremorchrist: opening question was reguarding life imitating art !

jag: i'd hardly call clancy art

griff: I suspect you're not travelling Patti

Dutchie: it sound a lot like that book though, jag...

Patti: I suspect not, but who knows?

Tremorchrist: i agree , big generalisation

CokeBear: Taliban dude on CNN

onthego: r the airports in europe effected?

griff: BA have suspended all flights indefinitely

griff: To and from the US

govert: Scandinavian airlines aren't flying to the US.

pixe: someone just said the USS washington and Kenndy are in the water ..

Trilobite: only flights in US are Air Force

dice: and where is don

CokeBear: pixe: yup, headed for New York

govert: swedish airports still open

socksey: all commercial us flights suspended

griff: Where else would they be pixe ?

Trilobite: flights heading to US, diverted to Canada

dice: and where is don

CokeBear: I'm in London, Ontario, and planes are headed here

govert: like we're in the hotspot :-)

CokeBear: 747s normally don't land here, but the runways are long enough

govert: Jerusalem airport closed

Trilobite: It's odd the only person who can fly in US is Bush, & he's the most useless one

govert: LOL!

Trilobite: not a joke

jag: probably better more time he spends in the air

Trilobite: he couldn't find NY on a map

griff: Takes him off the suspect list then

dorbel: a Bush in the air is worth two on the ground

pixe: I wanta throw up ..

Trilobite: I've been crying all morning

socksey: go to the bathroom pixe

govert: sure.

quine: glad aXi XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Honeygirl_ll: lews u ok?

lewscannon: fine. hg. thx

Trilobite: Bush called the terrorists "theFOLKS who did this"

socksey: hey lews...hg  :)

Honeygirl_ll: hi soxs

reima: NICE FOLKS indeed...

lewscannon: but i used to work in the wtc. a lot of people that i know are dead now :<

quine: i worked there until february

Honeygirl_ll: sorry lews

Tremorchrist: i'm sorry Lews

lewscannon: it's surreal

Trilobite: I've been there many times,& they had security you wouyldn't believe & fire drills, etc.

socksey: my sympathy lews  :(

patrija: i hope those firedrills helped to save many lives

lewscannon: i'm hoping some people made it, but.....

mpopj: how far from wtc is Square Garden ? My daughter knows someone who is there.

Tremorchrist: many did Lews 77th fl tower 1 , one example

Trilobite: I saw some jumping out of the upper stories on tv

quine: any rep[orts on whether there were bombs inside or not?XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  i wonder what caused all those secondary blasts

Mortsport: people were jumping out the windows trying to escape the fires behind them. what is worse, the fire, or the fall

quine: square garden is too far away to be in any danger

mpopj: thanks quine

lewscannon: i'm hearing that there were bombs, too

Trilobite: MSG is over 3 miles north

Trilobite: no bomb, just the planes

rpo: not bombs, just strutural damage

lewscannon: i'm hearing about bombs on the news, trilobite

Trilobite: there was a bomb in Washington, I believe

orko: there was a car bomb in washington, i heard.

MaddDogg: on the plus side we can now go on a wholesale killing spree of terrorists

Trilobite: not in NYC

Trilobite: should we start with the terrorists who stole the election?

Tremorchrist: could change the world Maddog

onthego: there is no plus side to this

quine: it isn't clear what could have caused the secondary explosions, trilobyte.  the towers don't have flammable materials inside.... 

lewscannon: yeah, in nyc. i'm watching the news here

MaddDogg: what an idiotic statement

dorbel: then why make it Maddog?

quine: not that would cause such an abrupt explosion... though of course the heat buildup could have cause a presure buildup

XXX: the planes were fully fueled for a cross country flight..that caused big explosions on impact..then there were gas leaks causing more explosions

Tremorchrist: aero fuel is serious shit!

mimbing: anyone for 3/5 ptr??

fourth waves goodbye.

govert: 3/5 anyone

Slampig: hello

govert: hello Slampig

govert: how is your corner of the world?

Slampig: mad as hell

govert: welcome :-(

Mooncan: petityoda is a dropper

Tremorchrist: seems irrelevant today

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: How many floors collapsed?

dorbel: good 'ol fibs, planes hitting buildings and they moan about droppers

Slampig: all of them

raindance: presumably all

pixe: both towers collapsed

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: unreal

raindance: well, it's been a long time since we've had war

socksey: lol@dorbel.....life goes on

Slampig: bin laden will pay

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: pretty tough to fight a war against this

raindance: perhaps not, this is the sort of event that can change the world

jag: thought theyd denied it

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: so you nail bin laden.... then someone else takes over

raindance: Oboe, this will be tracked down, probably we are now beyond conventional terrorist dealings as far as a US response

Tremorchrist: listening to initial state reactions i would be concerned if i lived in Afghanistan

coolpaula: heck.... i'd just GENERALLY be CONCERNED if i lived in Afganistan!

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: and you have to wonder how the terrorist will "top" this act?

Slampig: this would be like the US bombing the dome of the rock or Mecca, which should be considered

Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: whats next a mushroom cloud over LA or Paris?

Tremorchrist: they wont, here comes decades of big brother paranoia and hard lines

dorbel: WHAT Slampig is joking surely

coolpaula: and our govt gets all uppity about some poor afgani refugees

jasonj: The Latin Grammy's Have been postponed!!

Tremorchrist: yes coop , you think John will skulk home ?

pixe: baseball is postponed ..

Slampig: no i'm not joking

coolpaula: one hell of a barbeque for him!

dorbel: terrifying

Slampig: level iraq

Slampig: finish the job

jag: why? probably not them

pixe: its not them? who is was it?

dorbel: Jesus, and they wonder why anyone would bomb America

raindance: to all US citizens, please make a rendezvous point of contact with family, make sure u have plenty of cash on hand.  Godspeed

Mortsport: probably funded by lraq

dice: fbi is looking for don

Festful: don....Don King?

Slampig: just look what we did to japan

Slampig: someone will pay

onthego: a spiral of hate

Mortsport: 2400 lost at Pearl Harbor

suz: and a spiral of violence

dorbel: bombing is wrong, so lets bomb 'em to hell

raindance: Days like today may be seminal events in history, godspeed, godspeed

Patti: WOuld someone explain this to me please:  The Golden Gate Bridge is open to vehicles, but not to pedestrian traffic.

jag: its safer to drive in California than walk, thought everyone knew that

jasonj: that means you can drive across the bridge

socksey: maybe suicide breeds suicide....patti....

jasonj: but you can't walk across it.

raindance: 911

coolpaula: raindance,,, makin sense

Slampig: because it's the quickest way to get emergency services across the bay

Slampig: and evacuate people

Patti: But that's an argument for *closing* it-- then you have free access to it if you need it.

raindance: godspeed folks.  I need to go out and get some cash on hand.  May we see each other again sooner than later

dorbel: shut up raindance

socksey: thx cp  :)

silent: anyone for a one pointer?

Mortsport: all planes were bound for CA, meaning they all had maximum fuel

jasonj: yep

jasonj: genius....

jasonj: evil, super genius.

govert: no fools flew thge flanes... that's for sure...

jasonj: that's true.

govert: and i can't type...

Zorba: note how less than one year GW Bush brought the world in a terrible state

silent: Only the biggest fool could be that evil

pinksharkmark: this is unreal... reads like a Robert Ludlum novel

Zorba: Texas = oil and weapons

coolpaula: you got it Zorba!

Mortsport: they think the Pittsburgh plane was headed for the white house

SallyAW: better the white house than the twin towers.

jasonj: that would have been incredible....

jasonj: just amazing...

pinksharkmark: oh, come on, now. I am certainly no fan of Bush, byt he didn't cause this

SallyAW: the white house is just a symbol, not the offices of 10s of 1000s of people

SallyAW: bush wasn't in DC he was in florida, he wouldn'thave been hurt

jasonj: you don't think the WTC was a symbol?

Zorba: bush lack of action in the middle-east didn't cause it but certainly it plays a role..

pinksharkmark: actually, thousands of people DO work in the White House

Mortsport: this could be retaliation for USA's attack on lraq under the senior Bush's administration

Nashvilleman: Yeah, lack of getting rid of palestinians and Iraq years ago, that lack of action

pinksharkmark: no... timing is wrong. That terrorist in the first WTC bombing was due to be sentenced tomorrow

jag: violence breeds violence

Mooncan: I have had 3 people drop on me 3 times in a row now !

SallyAW: scarey using US commercial flights with lots of fuel.

Nashvilleman: not fully confronting violence breeds violence

govert: I won't drop. game?

pinksharkmark: agreed, Nash. Mad dogs need to be destroyed. Cancers need to be excised.

Zorba: but who's the mad dog

jasonj: mad dog.

pinksharkmark: too many of them, Zorba... that's the problem

Zorba: america also behaves like a mad dog in some countries..

pinksharkmark: Iraq, Palestine, Libya... Afghanistan...

jag: but why are these people so enraged with the us that they'd even contemplate such actions?

dorbel: yes, why?

pinksharkmark: religious fanatics don't need a reason

Tremorchrist: can you believe it, a god !

jag: everyone needs a reason

pinksharkmark: their reason is that America is The Great Satan

dorbel: a r4easonable point of view from som eplaces

Zorba: i think it's got nothing to do with religion, just with america being anti-arabic

CokeBear: There is *no* evidence that the perps are arabs. Remember Oklahoma?

Zorba: yeha but that guy is dead

pinksharkmark: depends which Arabs. America is certainly not anti-Saudi, or anti-Egypt

Mortsport: contempt is a very poor reason, but it is probably the underlying cause

pinksharkmark: this wasn't the act of a lone nutbar, CB. This took planning, and trememndous resources. It was a group of suicidal fanatics... hence religious fanatics

Mortsport: indeed

pinksharkmark: those planes were PILOTED. Kamikaze attacks, in every sense of the word.

Mortsport: middle east without a doubt

jag: but if you don't make the effort to understand what drives such people to such actions you're condemned to repeat

pinksharkmark: of course

CokeBear: It doesn't take much skill to fly a plane into a building. Hard part of flying is taking off and landing.

Zorba: right jag..

CokeBear: Each plane only needed one guy, with one small gun.

govert: flying under the radar....

CokeBear: Kill pilots, crash plane. Very simple plan

pinksharkmark: it takes a lot of planning to successfully hijack several planes simultaneously

Zorba: I wonder what MS-Flightsimulator's role in this whole thing is...

govert: flying off route.....

CokeBear: Blame Microsoft!

govert: hijacking WITHOUT the crew hitting the alarm button...

CokeBear: Shoot both from behind before they know whats going on.

CokeBear: pop pop

CokeBear: all done

govert: AND bust the door before that...

dorbel: its a terrible day for sure, but you cant you "kill the fanatics" guys get it?

Mortsport: bin laden owned aircraft to train kamikaze pilots for such an attack

Zorba: CB seems to have inside info...arrest him

CokeBear: Many pilots leave the door open

dorbel: cant you make the connection?

Tremorchrist: they'll find the black boxes, then we'll know

dorbel: rockets in baghdad?

govert: sure, but this is not a fool's action

CokeBear: Last time I flew, I visited the CP. Said hi to the captain

dorbel: rockets in Belgrade?

dorbel: America is a world terrorist

CokeBear: All you hear on the Black Boxes is "Bang, Bang", then nothing for several minutes, then crash

dorbel: this terrible thing is what follows

Tremorchrist: i bet the kamakhazis say more than that coke

govert: not these...

Zorba: anyway, time for a real president. Is there a way for new elections?

Mooncan: What does it mean when you play an unlimited match ?

Mortsport: no rating points

jag: it never ends, people use it to play for money

CokeBear: Of all the Presedential Candidates of the last 10 years, who would you most like to be running the country right now?

Mortsport: shut up cokebore

dice: Hillary

Zorba: :)

Tremorchrist: goodbye all, PEACE !

Honeygirl_ll: bye tc

suzi: Hi Zorba!

suzi: Hi Mort!

Zorba: I wish there would've been another president BEFORE this happened...

Zorba: hiya suzi! :)

Mortsport: hi suzi

pammie: Why is that

Mortsport: l think saddam has a hand in this

Zorba: bush has done virtually nothing about the situation in the ME

pammie: What does it matter what president is in office

govert: (pammie) he is the spokesperson of the country?

Zorba: israel in war with the palestinians, bush waves from his ranch and talks with his cowsz

pammie: well then you get of your ass and do something

Zorba: the guy is a complete nitwit

pammie: maybe But I don't believe He is going to stand by..

pammie: No one person can stop a war

Zorba: the damage is already done

pammie: all sides have to agree to stop

Zorba: I think buish should realize that you can't be world power #1 without taking your responsibilities WORLDwide

govert: so, HXXXer couldn't stop WW2 if he wanted?

pammie: He started it..

Zorba: well, Staling might have started it a little later...who knows

pammie: He wanted it to happen as with any war

govert: sure

Mortsport: war has been declared against the US. those responsible will be hunted down, hopefully with the help of the world community

jag: Mooncan, petityoda didn't drop on me

Zorba: and colonialism might also be called a world war

jag: but he has left the building

govert: maybe nobody can stop a war, but it is my firm belief that anybody can affect it.

pammie: I agree govert

pammie: unfourtantely wars will happen..

Zorba: yep...especially the head of the world power #1

jag: don't forget, many people think the Wests economic and political behaviour is a form of warfare

CokeBear: There is not a single commercial airplane in flight in the USA right now. This is unprecidented in Aviation history

pammie: but is it an excuse to kill thousands of innocent people

govert: GPL, the OTHER global threat to capitalizm

Zorba: Gnu Public Licesne? lol

pammie: just because I disagree with you about bush doesn't give Me license to go and shoot Zorba

govert: :)

jag: thousands of innocents died in almost every war last century

pammie: yes

Zorba: in the eyes of some other people, the USA also causes thousands of deaths.

pammie: you are right..

pammie: and I hate seeing that in other countries as well.

Zorba: the problem is that US politics <> USA's citizens

pammie: I take it you are not american Zorba

Zorba: right

pammie: what if it was in your country

pammie: it happened to your people

Zorba: my country is not a world power

pammie: innocent

govert: and, also in the eyes of others, the population growth in the US is the planet's largest resource problem...

jag: and the actions of a minority of fanatics <> those of every muslim or whatever

pammie: so

onthego: zorba wears i turbin

mimbing: anyone for 3/5 ptr??

pammie: So it could happen

jag: Sikhs wear turbans

govert: engineers wear turbines

Zorba: this wouldn't happen to a country that;s not a wolrd-power

pammie: Some person that holds a grudge against your country comes in and symatticay bombs  each major city in your country

Zorba: so I cant comment on it happening to the NL

pammie: It could happen Zorba

Zorba: this is not about a "grudge" against the USA

Zorba: this is about USA power play

pammie: I  don't know how you can be so cold about people dying .. it being a american or a turkish rebel

Zorba: I'm not cold, I'm discussing possible casues

pammie: but you are putting it all on the us though.. granted this country isnt perfect.. what country is.

govert: He isn't

Zorba: how many USA people mourned about the tens of thousands of victims in Iraq after Desert Storm?

Mortsport: ya know it's so easy to blame someone else, but if you do the crime you will pay

pammie: You would be surprised..

Zorba: I dont put it all on the USA. The terrorists are responsible

Zorba: I'm just analyzing USA's role in the world and if it might have something to do with this

govert: hmm. i wonder...

Zorba: :/

Mortsport: if you think the lraqi "population" was innocent in the kuwaiti takeover, you are saddly mistaken

Zorba: most Iraqi soldiers were as "innocent" as US soldiers

pammie: we as humans have responsbility for our actions

Mortsport: if they disagrred with saddams actions, there would of been an overthrow of his regime. and that never happened

govert: which of course goes for Germany as well...

Zorba: like "overtthrowing a regime" is so easy

Mortsport: nobody said it was

Zorba: so your argument doesnt hold then

Mortsport: but the attempt would of been supported

Zorba: even the USA couldnt kill Saddam

Mortsport: oh yes they could of

jag: not when the gov controls the media, the innocent people had no real understanding of the situation

Mortsport: schwartzkopf was that close

Mortsport: he would of had no problem at all

Mortsport: he was right there

Zorba: a whole lot of Iraqi soldiers surrendered.. says it all. Saddam is not supported, he's just a tyran

jag: would you risk your life, the lives of all your friends and family on the offchance that things may be better under a different regime?

Mortsport: Bush cancelled it

govert: whay are we doing? analyzing people's guilt in wars? get a grip...

Mortsport: LOL, they surrendered because they were beaten

Mortsport: who the hell is analizing guilt

Zorba: did the US soldiers in Vietnam do that as well then Mort?

govert: well, I think I was, at least. (trying to get a grip...)

onthego: they r prob dancing in the streets of kabul

pammie: sorry Zobra if I offened you..

Mortsport: guilt is having remorse for something you did wrong

Zorba: thinking Iraqi people are evil and against the USA, is just as stupid as Arabians calling the USA and it's citizens evil

pammie: IT isnt all the people though

pammie: it is the ones that can do those things that are.

Mortsport: zorba, it sounds like you're an lraqi sympathizer

Zorba: then read again mort

Alstrup waves goodbye.

Zorba: people of different countries aren't against each other, it's their leaders

govert: and the leaders play out the people against each other...

Mortsport: the USA is made up of people from different countries

Zorba: right... and sadly, they succeed with 75% of the people

govert: doesn't matter

Zorba: many people like the idea of simplifying the enemy

Zorba: it unites

pammie: to have a  belief is one thing but to use that belief to kill people is dead wrong

jag: dehumanisation its such a big word

jag: been around since richard the third

jag: human league

Mortsport: problems stem from other countries that DON'T have freedom for their populations

Zorba: all religions kill(ed) people

Mortsport: people gravitate to the USA to escape this

govert: please, leave the word religion out...

pammie: But it doesn't make it right.

govert: or let's say governmentally supported religion, and I agree, Zorba

jag: problems stem from countries (trying to) impose their viewpoints on other countries

Deer: Hiyas!

Zorba: sounds right jag..

Zorba: hi Deer!

dice: fbi is looking for don

Zorba: lol

Deer: Hey Zorbie :)

Mortsport: is freedom and democracy an imposition?

govert: tricky.

Deer: Im still waiting to hear if 4 relatives who work at WTC are alive

Zorba: how about the war on drugs...

Mortsport: l sincerely hope not

jag: it is if you don't believe democracy is the best form of government

jag: and freedom can be relative

Zorba: i'm sorry deer :(

govert: our heart's are with you, Deer

Deer: we're hopeful.... that they started late. 

pammie: and Prayers Hun..

Deer: Ahh this is the the slap in the face to get our attention, I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better

jag: hope you get the good news soon deer

TheIrishman: my sympathies to all in NY and the USA

Deer: Hiya TheIrish :)

TheIrishman: hi deer

pammie: I  don't have any family there and can never imagine if I did

Deer: thanks everyone, alot of our prayers go out to everyone, from all countries involved

Zorba: I second that, irishman

govert: amen

govert: what's the latest from the US?

Deer: I heard, 4 planes crashed, 4 still out there somewhere

Zorba: don claims attacks

pammie: I think they are all accounted for now Deer

Deer: ahh okay

pammie: I hope so anyway

Deer: conservative estimate of deaths in NYC is over 10,000

TheIrishman: did the other 4 land or crash?

Deer: I don't know

pammie: well those two buildings along held 50 thousand workers

Deer: that's true, but who knows when they all start their shifts

pammie: not counting the vistors

pammie: there were five planes in all

Deer: average day, estimated people in building... 150.000

pammie: two into the trade center

pammie: one in the Pentagon

Deer: two in WTC, one in Penta, one near Pittsburgh and one???

pammie:  and two others that crashed

Deer: ohhhhh :(

pammie: not sure where the other one was

Deer: okay so three unaccounted for, that were of the 8 hijacked this morning

dice: fbi is looking for don

jag: got to go and pick up gf from Heathrow, strangely her flight from nice was delayed

pammie: they said there was 8.. I missed that

Deer: Jag, thank god huh?

dice: fbi looking for nihi

Mortsport: dice, get a life

pammie: Well going to go and watch alittle more..

Deer: eek SHARK!!!

Zorba: cia looking for dice

Deer: pammie, let us know what's up?

pinksharkmark: oh, no! A scary deer!

pammie: Zorba am really sorry if I did offend You..

jag: best wishes to everyone

jag waves goodbye.

Deer: you too jag :)

govert: MI5 looking for Zorba

Zorba: you didn't pammie :) I'm not even sure what you're talkling about act. :-)

Zorba: KGB looking for new personnel

govert: and he scores.

Zorba: well...whatever happens...digestion goes on..time to fill the stomach, bye

Zorba waves goodbye.

govert: bye

Zorba: bye govert

Deer: Bye Zorba!

Mortsport: in Moscow, President Vladimir Putin sent a telegram to U.S. President George W. Bush. "Dear

CokeBear: "Dear...

CokeBear: ?

rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!

rolfmuller: BG for worldpeace!!!!!

LarryFerrier: Boy, that's hilarious

rolfmuller: no more war!!!

Mortsport: war has already been waged against american civilians

Mortsport: sadly

rolfmuller: sure, and I'm feeling very sad about it

rolfmuller: but striking back will not bring back lives

Roll_N: It may save future lives

LarryFerrier: too bad one of those airliners didn't hit your house, rolf

Mortsport: but it could save lives in the future, by saying this WILL NOT be tolerated

TheIrishman: bbc are saying 4 planes - abc and cnn saying 8 - who is right?

Mortsport: 4

TheIrishman: k

rolfmuller: force were never a permanent solution

Mortsport: 2 at wtc, 1 at pentagon, and last 1 crashed in pittsburgh, presumably headed for the white house

rolfmuller: I repeat, I'm feeling very sad about all the lives that have been taken away by this way...

LarryFerrier: rolf,if the airliner had killed your family, i'll bet you wouldn't be talking out of your ass

Mortsport: easy now

SallyAW: freaky using commercial planes for this...

CokeBear: Iraq

LarryFerrier: Canada

SallyAW: canada?

LarryFerrier: they are jealous

rolfmuller: I'm against violence at all

Mortsport: indeed

Roll_N: I have a feeling someone is gonna find out that when you pull the dogs tail you usually get bit

SallyAW: Blame canada

rolfmuller: even if it would have killed me familiy

Mortsport: heaven forbid, enough is enough

rolfmuller: no live taken away would bring back a family member

rolfmuller: with violence

SallyAW: gg

Roll_N: so what are you saying, whoever is responsible should get a time out ? 

mimbing: 3/5 ptr ???

LarryFerrier: lol, RollN

LarryFerrier: bad, bad, boys...you hijacked airliners

rolfmuller: what I'm saying is, that this shit in the far east needs a permant a definit solution, no more victims for both side!!!!!

LarryFerrier: thanks, rolf...go back to sleep now

SallyAW: how do you stop all this racial and religious zealousness

SallyAW: on both sides,

Mortsport: you don't see religious strife in the US, therefore it is somewhat hard to comprehend

LarryFerrier: somewhat?

rolfmuller: I'm from switzerland, but I'm living in a country, where you find an arabian, a jude, a budist, a catolic, a black and a white person lives in the same building and everybody tolerates each other and each others ideas and reliogions

Patrice_France: Looks more like Wako or Oklahoma city than religious war !

LarryFerrier: huh?

TheIrishman: I agree Patrice

rolfmuller: we need god, and not religion, when a religion use force, the primar rule is not compreended: love

LarryFerrier: last time I checked, there are explosions in religious wars

rolfmuller: don't mind wich religion

Mortsport: l think they will find this to be an islamic attack

Patrice_France: Too technologic, looks like a sect or a KKK's act.

LarryFerrier: hey, rolf the genius, why don't you try to explain your theory to these nuts

mimbing: anyone for a 3-5 ptr???

SallyAW: the religious leaders are not going to give up their power

SallyAW: you can never stop people for hating.

SallyAW: from hating. people will always hate and kill

Patrice_France: America fighting america ?

Mortsport: seems to me islams think their religion is the only religion that counts in this world

LarryFerrier: Patrice, are you high?

grillbill: all religions do that mort

grillbill: at some point in their development

Mortsport: yet, if they are the ones responsible, they have no respect for human life

Patrice_France: Only1493.11

Mortsport: not all grillbill

LarryFerrier: those Buddhists love blowing shit up

grillbill: oh? I think so.. christianity did it once

grillbill: remember the crusades?

Mortsport: and then we evolve

rolfmuller: see? god instead of religion is the only solution....look at Belfast, both side are crazy!!!

grillbill: it's part of an evolution only problem is they are evolving in a climate of automtic weapons and mass terrorism

Mortsport: yes

rolfmuller: that's why I say, that war is not the solution, grillbill, they are fanatic and won't hesitate to make use from this weapons

rolfmuller: they have less to loose than we

LarryFerrier: so we should sit back and take it, eh, rolfy?

rolfmuller: they belive, that they are going to paradise, if they die in a war or in an act of terrorism

Mortsport: the world will change it's views on terrorism after today and sweeping worldwide changes will be felt

rolfmuller: Larry, do you have family, right?

grillbill: could forse the american hand in terms of counter terrorism around the world though

LarryFerrier: answer my question first, rolfy

rolfmuller: do you think, that if one more member of your family is dying in war, you gonna be happier? even if he hits 10 arabians first?

LarryFerrier: answer my question first

rolfmuller: I did

rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!

LarryFerrier: no you didn't

rolfmuller: violence is not a defintiv solution

rolfmuller: american soldier did die in Irak too....

LarryFerrier: and?

rolfmuller: there is no winner in a war

LarryFerrier: is Iraq as much of a threat?

rolfmuller: if you loose a child in a war, there is no reason that makes it good for it

LarryFerrier: you ignore human nature

rolfmuller: sorry, I didn't understand

Roll_N: I think alot of people would consider that there was a winner in World War 2...  for the good of all humanity

Roll_N: and WW1

rolfmuller: ok, but how many loser did you had? see the pictures of holocaust

grillbill: 'blessed are the victors for they shall be called peacemakers'

LarryFerrier: you can't let fanatics skip and dance around the world

jasonj: blessed are the pacemakers

LarryFerrier: gerry and the pacemakers?

Mortsport: war doesn't determine who's right, war determines who's left. and freedom and democracy will ALWAYS prevail

rolfmuller: I agree, but you won't teach them with force

LarryFerrier: oh, ok, rolfy, let's teach them with candy and dog biscuits

Mortsport: let's remember this is a terrorist act

LarryFerrier: sit...roll over...

Mortsport: a cowardly terrorist act

grillbill: hopefully america will act on it

LarryFerrier: bad doggy

Mortsport: the world will act on it

rolfmuller: yes it was covard

LarryFerrier: look up the word "ignorant" in your dictionary, rolfy

rolfmuller: all the nations need to be together in this moment and punish who needs to be punished

simpsons: agree

LarryFerrier: how should we punish them? how about tickling?

grillbill: eyes are being opened as to america's role in the world

simpsons: A-bomb

LarryFerrier: how should we punish them, rolf?

Mortsport: l don't think the abomb will ever be used again

jasonj: I think it will be used tonight.

LarryFerrier: maybe you should look up "Ignorant" as well, Mort

LarryFerrier: pull your head out of the sand

Mortsport: so what are YOU saying Larry?

LarryFerrier: we're lucky they didn't use nukes instead of airliners, genius

LarryFerrier: you think they nutcases won't figure it out?

LarryFerrier: these

rolfmuller: sorry, got desconnected

rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!

LarryFerrier: that's ok rolf...we didn't miss you

rolfmuller: ok, sorry, for having another opinion

grillbill: what's ur opinion rolf?

rolfmuller: about? I was desconnected

grillbill: about all of this

LarryFerrier: so how should these psychos be punished?

rolfmuller: I think it's crazy, what they have done

LarryFerrier: sooooooooo....?

LarryFerrier: how should they be punished?

rolfmuller: and I think it's crazy to start a war

LarryFerrier: answer the question

vegasvic: Fu them

vegasvic: take them out

vegasvic: sandam

vegasvic: ben laden

Mortsport: the war has already been started

vegasvic: take them out

grillbill: hmm

jasonj: Uncle Ben Laden's Converted Rice

vegasvic: i live in the village

vegasvic: when you see it live

vegasvic: coming down

LarryFerrier: rolf,answer the question

vegasvic: you get the idea

vegasvic: of the lives in there

TheIrishman: hi peachy

peachy: Hi there Irishman!!! :^) Good Evening!!! :^)

peachy: Hey there Mortsport!! :^)

rolfmuller: the first question to answer is: punish who? till this moment, nobody have taken the responsabilities

rolfmuller: all arabians?

LarryFerrier: you are useless

rolfmuller: afganistan?

Mortsport: this is easily the most single catastrophic act of violence against the US in it's history

vegasvic: ben laden has

Mortsport: hi peachy

vegasvic: for 3 weeks he has been saying it

peachy: I agree mortsport!!!

vegasvic: and we here in new york were going too sentance his guys

vegasvic: for the first trade boming

LarryFerrier: okay, rolfy...let's say they fgure out exactly who did it

rolfmuller: maybe I am, but tell who do you want to punish, larry?

vegasvic: so one doesnt have to look far

Mortsport: 2400 died in pearl harbor, this will far surpass that

LarryFerrier: how should they be punished?

vegasvic: 10000 in one of thoes building

Mortsport: 266 died in the plane crashes

vegasvic: look i live here

grillbill: they worked out in the 93 bombing that it took people about 3 hours to get out.. they didn't get that much time this time

peachy: I dare say the estimates are very low at this point...

vegasvic: its 1/4 of a mile from my house

vegasvic: there were 1000's

grillbill: some may not have realised what was going on for a while

vegasvic: coming out

vegasvic: and 1000's trying to help

vegasvic: and the buildiigs came down

grillbill: they employ 50,000 there with 90,000 visitors

LarryFerrier: Rolfy, you have no answer

vegasvic: you look at oklahoma

peachy: Hi there jason!!! :^)

jasonj: Yo, Peachy....

vegasvic: and see that

vegasvic: take it up a notch

vegasvic: not pearl arbor nothing is close

vegasvic: to this one

vegasvic: when its over

rolfmuller: I never said, that I have the answers, larry

BennyTheDip: any news on these other planes in the air????????

peachy: no - it is soooo sad vegasvic...

LarryFerrier: you also have no spine

vegasvic: we have f16 in arond manhattan

rolfmuller: but I DO know, that violence makes grow more violence

vegasvic: i was looking up knowing no planes were in the air

vegasvic: but its f15 and 16 flying

Mortsport: there is NO inbetween on this

rolfmuller: spine? don't understand

jasonj: amazing that you have electric and all, vegasvic

vegasvic: moselms

vegasvic: belive in

phs: veg - where are you?

vegasvic: eye for and eye

vegasvic: they cut of the hand that steals

vegasvic: now time

peachy: Hey there phs - good to see you here this afternoon!!! :^)

phs: anyone on fibs in lower manhattan?

vegasvic: i live in lower manhaten in the village west sdie

vegasvic: i am 1/4 of a mile up from the towers

vegasvic: i bike next to it every day along the river

phs: wow - are you gibing us news reports?

vegasvic: to see them com edown

vegasvic: like it did

phs: you saw it?

BennyTheDip: gibing is an unforntunate mistake

vegasvic: all you could do is sit on the side walk and cry

leda: must be awfull

vegasvic: just the humanity

phs: oh - I've made much worse mistakes :) gibing is... mild

BennyTheDip: fair enough phs

vegasvic: brb

grillbill: don't rush

rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!

grillbill: irony was that the mayor's disaster centre was based on the 56th floor of one of the towers

Repugnist: I don't have adequate words to describe the horror i feel at your tradgedy. I'm 3000 miles away in England - my partner is in tears. GL to all-  especiallty NY'kers. May we keep this community free from prejudice and blame. it,s these new communitys that may strike a new better world order.

peachy: Nicely said Repugnist!!! thanks :^)

rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!

phs: lewscannon - tell us about NYC now

lewscannon: we're kinda stunned

peachy: Hi there lews :^) Good to see you!!!

lewscannon: hi peachy

lewscannon: everyone's stocked up on food and water

lewscannon: you expect to see this kind of stuff in a schwartzenegger movie, not in real life

phs: did you see anything?

peachy: True - so true lews!!!

lewscannon: i'm too far uptown, but my wife saw the towers collapse from her office

Steve_Carey: they dont even want to play football this next weekend :(

peachy: WOW - that's closer than I would want to be lews...

lewscannon: she's midtown. you couldn't miss it from any high building

peachy: Hi there socksey!!!

phs: what do people think the USA will do now?

peachy: there are so many things to do phs....

lewscannon: i think george bush is going to try to attack new zealand

phs: lol lews - astute politacl analysis :)

lewscannon: he's pretty sure that it's next to belgium

Steve_Carey: what sucks is 10s of thousands of americans died in a cowardly senseless act of desperation

javiator: and we see it all fold out live on TV -startling..

peachy: True - so true Steve...

HomerJ waves goodbye.

Aveboo: Greetings and support to the people of the USA... God bless you !

Aveboo: and hi to all.

CokeBear: God? Fuck God! Religion is what causes crap like this! Damn religious fanatics!

peachy: Thanks Aveboo!! :^)

Repugnist: true CB - but don't dismiss the sentiment

phs: where are you Aveboo?

Aveboo: I agree too, but some pax believe in it and its a relief for them, so fuck u!

Aveboo: Belgium, Brussels

phs: well - thank you for your sentiments :)

CokeBear: The world would be a whole lot better off if there were no religion

gba:  second that

peachy: Cokebear - for once -- please just drop it for now!!!!!!

javiator: say rather the world would be a better place without hate --TOLERANCE!

Repugnist: hear hear j

socksey: hugs for everyone

Repugnist: f*** hugs for everyone - i'm not THAT tolerant!

peachy: hehe - well I appreciated that socksey

CokeBear: No hugs for Osama bin Laden. He can eat USian Nuke now.

aki: one pointe anyone?

aki: hi alkan

lea: Who wants to play?

lea: I want to play!

lea: Hello everyone!

lea: Bye everyone!

lea: It's very quiet here.

socksey: lea you are refusing games

Aveboo: we r looking at u...

CokeBear: Its very quiet everywhere in the world today

Aveboo: not in the US, actualy...

peachy: depends on where in the US you are....

Aveboo: correct!

pixe: not quiet here .. they just said on the local radio dont bother going to the grocery store the shelves are empty .. people are panicing

CokeBear: oh shit...

CokeBear: so it begins...

peachy: Where are ya pixe???

pixe: NJ .. about 45 mins from NYC

peachy: OK- here it is not like that - but I'm over 500 miles from NYC (but still in NY)

aki: only ten minutes by plane pixie!  ;-)

lea: Hello everyone!

lea: It's very quiet here.

pixe: thank you aki .. :-P

CokeBear: Interesting: Secret Service wants to keep Bush in Nebraska, Political aides want him back in the White House

rpo: i think the plane that went down in PA was destined for the white house...

peachy: I think it's more typical than interesting Cokebear - since when does teh gov't agree??

silent: Bush caused the war I think with all his talk of nuclear superiority

aki: coke, i want him back in texas!

GreekPJ: Bush is great!

GreekPJ: Clinton is the cause of all this

Mikey: silent, that is 100% crap

silent: Prepare for war and you get it. Bush brought it on

silent: I guess now he will have to work instead of loafing around

aki: war against whom?

Mikey: if you were in touch with reality . . .

Aveboo: Bush must be thinking; "shit! why izit all hapening to me..."

peachy: My condolences to all affected by this...  bye bye

Aveboo: bye peach

silent: The poor families

socksey: ciao peach

aki: god shave the queen

silent: join _kef

_kef: god bless to all

lewscannon: apparently the plane that went down in pa was destined for camp david, bush's summer home

aki: in which state is camp david?

lewscannon: maryland

endellRio waves goodbye.

aki: hmm, then osama gave him wrong instructions?

aki: pa is way off maryland..

javiator: i heard all planes were bound for california ie: fully fueled

TheIrishman: hi

Aveboo: Osaman aimed at symbols...

aki: osama killed the artist formely known as prince?  ;-)

Aveboo: I bet he didnt even expect the towers to collapse...

Streetgang: someone 3/5/7

FordPrefect: my heartfelt condolences to all american players, i hope nobody of you had casualties

lewscannon: thx, ford

HunnyB: hi Lews!!

alkan: who is up for a 5

lewscannon: hi hun

TheIrishman: gg

lewscannon: it's gonna be so strange to see the manhattan skyline without those towers

Scorpion_: 3?

tom: any New Yorkeans here?  I 'D like to express my deepest pity

lewscannon: thx, tom

Steve_Carey: thought maybe Iraq might be behind the incidents

tom: I dont hear anything about the crasj  crash in Pennsylvania .. did the air force shoot this plane?

Mortsport: no

Mortsport: chances are the crew thwarted the attempt

TheIrishman: cbs are reporting 2 other crashes - does anyone know where these were - or if confirmed

Steve_Carey: the Pentigon

tom: lews why did it take so long to get a statement from the President?

TheIrishman: in addition to pentagon and wtc 2

Scorpion_: someone had to write his speech

raindance: nbc is reporting Usama Bin Laden is the culprit

maria: I am not a violent person, but I hope whoever is responsible for this atrocities suffers and burns in hell for eternity.

fond: countries feeding terrorists many ways... one `s terrorist being freedom fighter for others... what happened today was the biggest in world terror history. and i believe this was an attack to humanity. 

fond:  and many countries were supporting this till now. so everyone is responsable for that. i am so sorry for a

fond: all

Johnm: would some one like a game

raindance: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Steve_Carey: scary thing is   it may not be over with

cc_drug: Did all of you not go in to work today?

lapin: game anyone ?

raindance: in one way or another it won't be; we'll either hunt him down or go to war to get him

lapin: has there been some news about who ?

Steve_Carey: God only knows whats next           how much more are we americansd going to be subjected to

raindance: nbc reports Bin Laden

lapin: nbc ?

lapin: doesn't sound authoritative

tom: be he officially declined

Dutchie: hi (again) all!

nilla: Hi Dutchie  :))

bluebeard: Duchie! is your gf ok?

cc_drug: Is it true they suspect LA to be next?

raindance: lapin, yes, it sounds authoratative

Dutchie: yep, bluebeard... got a phone call from her around 1pm edt... she was on the 13th floor, instead of in her office, at the 53rd...

lapin: news channels like to do that - don't trust them

bluebeard: that's a relief

Dutchie: yep, bluebeard, it is... i am still very down though... and worried about a few other friends and acquaintances of mine, that work(ed) there...

raindance: lapin, no, this wasn't your typical

lapin: i guess we find out soon enough

raindance: yes, in fact they've been holding out, but that's the word on the new service wires

suzi: Jane!!!!!!!!!

jane_t: suzi long time no see how r u ????

Steve_Carey: Congress is to get together on the steps of the capitol building to express their support for the president

raindance: support of America

lapin: i appreciate the act happened in the USA

lapin: but this affects ALL of us now

raindance: I have this tremendous sense that he (if it's him) will not live long, nor have freedom long

Johnm: anyone for 3 point pls

Steve_Carey: a news conference at 7:00pmEDT  and holding a session of congress tomorrow to pass support measures           perhaps war

cc_drug: any word on the other two stray planes?????

raindance: Steve, where are you hearing that information?

Steve_Carey: CBS news

Biggles: a sad day.......

Biggles: I hope Cokebear is finally happy.....he finally got what he's been asking for.....

socksey: what do you mean biggles?

Bob: 1/3/5/7/9 pointer please

Biggles: all Cokebear has done since day 1 is attack America, and tell us we were going to get it from Ben Laden.......so I hope he's now finally happy

Mortsport: cokebores already used up his inane comment allotment for the day

Biggles: what's his take Mort.....probably "I told ya so".....

Mortsport: no

Mortsport: just stupid insensitive remarks

socksey: cokebear would never wish us this

Biggles: right.......he's the biggest jerk I've ever heard......

Mortsport: but he did say bin laden should eat the nuke

Biggles: he did?  why would he want his biggest buddy to take a fall?

raindance: here's a link to fbi's page on bin laden

raindance: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

socksey: be kind to your enemies......it will blow their minds  :)

Mortsport: l've heard support here from all countries, except for cokebore

Dutchie: i have to admit one thing about cokebear... when he heard that my gf was in there, he was one of the first to wish me strength...

Biggles: your gf might have died?

raindance: indeed, socksey, the kindest thing to do is to take out bin laden, many human lives will be saved that way

socksey: see......saying things here in defense of oneself means nothing when the chips are down

Mortsport: Afghanistan is hiding bin laden

Biggles: Dutchie....what's the story on your gf?

Dutchie: she got out, Biggles... i heard from her at about 1pm EDT... but those four hours waiting were the hardest hours of my life!

Mortsport: another building did collapse

Biggles: thank god.....im glad for you

Dutchie: thanks Biggles!

Mortsport: building 7 next to the wtc

raindance: Godspeed to you Dutchie

Dutchie: thx!

Mortsport: still another couple buildings in danger of collapsing

Biggles: they just showed the 3rd building collapsing

raindance: it's horrifying to think of, but the death toll may be in the tens of thousands

Mortsport: it's amazing the topple effect didn't take down more

Mortsport: but it's like both wtc buildings imploded

StoneTiger: i don't think those things have the structural integrety to go down in one peice after you knock out a significant hole

Biggles: did you just see that last video?

Mortsport: l've sen it all, what a nightmare

StoneTiger: sorry, no tv here

bluebeard: StoneTiger: apparently it was the subsequent fire that waekened the structures

HumanIAm: 5 pt match anyone?

Johnm: johnm will

Soldier: anyone for 5??

StoneTiger: sounds plausible, I'm not a civil engineer or anything

Mortsport: there are palastinian celebrations going on

raindance: nbc now says new information leads US officials to be 90% sure Bin Laden is behind all of this

JCoyne: whichever country is harboring bin laden pays the price

aki: the same officials who did not know anything just hours agol....

JCoyne: a very LARGE price

javiator: hes in New Zealand..

HumanIAm: the 'large price' is the same as the reason we have these attacks in the first place

suzi waves goodbye.

peachy: Hoi Dutchie!! :^)

aki: javietor, no he is in norfolk

peachy: Hi again Mortsport!! :^)

Dutchie: hi peachy! :)

aki: he runs fish and chips shop there

peachy: Hi ya JC :^)

javiator: Kings Lynn?

JCoyne: hey peachy

peachy: Hi again socksey!! :^)

peachy: Hey there Irishman!!! :^)

TheIrishman: hi peachy

oldovercoat: raindance, are you there?

CokeBear: People are thinking this was some big, expensive operation, but it might have only been 4 people: one on each plane, with a gun, or even a knife

HumanIAm: what difference does that make, Cokebear?

oldovercoat: how does one man with a knife hold 90 people + crew hostage and force them to crash a plane? no way

CokeBear: USA is planning to seek revenge, but the perps are already dead.

CokeBear: (You've never been a hostage, have you?)

HumanIAm: the US will kill lots and lots of people in REVENGE - just like always - nothing changes - dead is dead and makes more dead

oldovercoat: 97:1 ? c'mon

CokeBear: Once the terrorist kills one person, everyone is thinking "That could have been me"

pRICK: U.S. should stop supporting the Isreali terrorists

mdreier: US should stop _training_ Bin-Ladens

pRICK: and Sharons

javiator: the palestinians celebrating is a very disturbing site...  but I sympathise -they have to put up with American helicopters and jets blowing up thier buildings and people...

pRICK: yup

HumanIAm: indoctrination happens on all sides - no real differences there

pRICK: bulldozers destroying their homes

pRICK: except they are usually the ones dying

raindance: Arafat condemned it

Mortsport: hey prick, don't you ever think they bring it on themselves

pRICK: right

Dutchie: bonjour Eve!!! :)

TheIrishman: bon soir maman

maman_Eve: bonjour Dutchie

maman_Eve: bonsoir irishman

Dutchie: i was doubting whether or not to put "bon" in there...

javiator: would you msay the same of Americans??

Mortsport: the rest of the world is trying to become civilized, what the hell is their problem?

Yosemite_Sam: not very good today

pRICK: they should just give up their own land and country so the Isrealis can live in peace

mdreier: they are being bomberd into the stone ages - that is thir problem

CokeBear: USA is attacking Afganistan!

pRICK: why don't they jump in the ocean, Mortsport?

Yosemite_Sam: where do you come from pRick

Mortsport: the have been at war for THOUSANDS of years. what in gods name is their problem?????????

fatboyandy: What can i say about the news? I fear for peace everywhere

pRICK: chicago

Yosemite_Sam: why are trying to justify what happened?

HumanIAm: gotta go

HumanIAm: thanks

mdreier: Wow - the US is bombing Kabul

pRICK: their problem, Mortsport, is that the Isrealis have stolen their land - this has only been happening this century

fond: what?!!

Mortsport: where do you see this mdreier?

mdreier: cnn

fatboyandy: is there a source on that ?

Yosemite_Sam: who said that?

maman_Eve: this is a terribly sad day for everyone

Mortsport: the problem is prick, that they have been warring over land for THOUSANDS of years

fatboyandy: very scary

Danica: very traggic day for americans

maman_Eve: for the whole human race

lewscannon: i can't conceive of the cowardice of this action

Yosemite_Sam: The british are the ones that orginally stole it not the israelies

fond: for all of us

CokeBear: Not just the human race, but everyone. (I don't consider terrorists to be human)

Yosemite_Sam: Just heard it on our local CNN radio station.

raindance: it's live on cnn tv

NewOrder: breaking news: Kabul is burning in flames

Mortsport: terrorists will fry in hell

Tygger: Hello Eve, Socksey...

maman_Eve: hello Tygger!

Danica: we are all sad today

Yosemite_Sam: Are we doing it or is somebody else doing it

fond: MS u mean all afgans?

NewOrder: cruise missiles

Yosemite_Sam: Are you sure?

Mortsport: fuel dump is on fire

NewOrder: watch cnn, live covergae via video phone

mdreier: someone is dropping _big_ missiles on Kabul

mdreier: Is it sheriff bush?

NewOrder: Kabul is toast

Yosemite_Sam: could e local stuff, we gave the mjadeen

Mortsport: fuel dump by kabul airport is in flames

Tygger: Hi Peachy...

Dutchie: wb peachy! :)

peachy: Hi there Eve!! :^)

peachy: Hello Tygger!!! :^)

raindance: hey mdreier, you tell me, you think we've , NOT BUSH, We've got a right to take care of ourselves?

peachy: Thanks Dutchie!!! :^)

Tygger: Fu!

peachy: Hi everyone (again :^)

CokeBear: Bomb the fuck out of the Taliban, Palestinians, and Saddam

CokeBear: Nuke the bastards

Shadowsans: apparently attacks on afghanistan are taking place.

raindance: not apparently, it is  live on CNN

CokeBear: CNN doesn't know if its USA doing the bombing

peachy: Hi there fu :^)

Dutchie: goed gespeeld! gefeliciteerd!

fatboyandy: who else would?

raindance: Correct, all cnn  is doing is showing coverage of what they see

Mortsport: could be russia doing the bombing

Soldier: I suspect russia too

Johnm: anyone like a 3-5-7 pointer

Mortsport: Russian President Vladimir Putin also sent a telegram to Bush. "Dear George,"  he wrote, "such an inhuman act must not go unpunished."

fond: reuters sez attacks r not from US

Tygger waves goodbye.

maman_Eve: bye Tygger

peachy: bye bye Tygger

Tygger: Bye all

Dutchie: hi CP! :)

CutiePieII: Hi Dutchie....its a sad, scary day in the USA, especially the east coast

Dutchie: i know all about it...

Dutchie: my gf worked in one of the twin towers...

CutiePieII: oh myyyy is she okay

Dutchie: yeah... she was able to call me at about 1pm edt...

CutiePieII: very good..........  It looks like a war zone in NYC

Dutchie: i know... am watching tv here all the time...

CutiePieII: I feel sorry for the group that was responsible

CutiePieII: or is

Mortsport: why

CutiePieII: okay sorry is the wrong word

CutiePieII: hatred might be a better word?

Mortsport: retribution is a better word

CutiePieII: yes, retribution

jarman: I think the retribution is already starting

Tatwo: ok  jane

CutiePieII: it might be too soon for that

Johnm: anyone want a 3 pointer

CutiePieII: you mean in Afganistan

jarman: why do you say that ?

Mortsport: l hope retribution will be worldwide

Tatwo: is it certain that it is america  bombing Kabul??

Mortsport: no

CutiePieII: No its not certain

Dutchie: US government denies it's them...

Mortsport: they think it could be internal

Danica: no its not certain

CutiePieII: they would have to be more certain before they retalate

socksey: hi eve......& cutie!  :)

CutiePieII: Hi socksey

fatboyandy: random retribution will just cause more hatred

jasonj: I sure hope that's not what's going on

CutiePieII: what do you expect us to do jason?

javiator: US will lose much sympathy with a typical clumbsy response

fatboyandy: start thinking

skunk_brand: its ass kicking time

jasonj: let calm heads prevail....

jasonj: whose ass do we kick?

jasonj: do we just start swinging at everyone??

CutiePieII: where are you from jason

CutiePieII: Of course not, we're not stupid

jasonj: I'm from a place called the United States

Mortsport: the US only needs sympathy for victims of this attack

trixie: ouch! i've had the news on in my cafe since 645 am i think i'll escape and play a game and here it is again!!!!

AdfinaTheGart: OMG!

jasonj: people are lining up for gasoline here....

jasonj: and the prices are rising....

jasonj: two great tastes that taste great together

CutiePieII: where are you jason?

CutiePieII: East coast?

jasonj: I'm in Michigan

CutiePieII: Delaware here

trixie: i'm 10 miles from los alamos labratories in new mexico and there's this horrid rumor it may be a target and everyone's fleeing!

jasonj: run for the gas station....

jasonj: go soon!!

jasonj: the prices are rising...

jasonj: (mmmmm.... paranoia....)

Dutchie: wb CP :)

peachy: Hi three Cutie!!! :^)

CutiePieII: Hi peachy

Mortsport: opec has stated they will not reduce the flow of oil here

peachy: Good!!!

peachy: Mort - where are you??? what state?

trixie: do you believe them?

Mortsport: minnesota

inthecan: senator mccain has said it is the us

Mortsport: what is the US?

inthecan: bombing in afghanistan

peachy: Ahhh - lots of beautiful lakes there Mort :^)

Mortsport: wolf blitzer just said it wasn't

Mortsport: sure is peachy  :)

Mortsport: 12k of them

Mortsport: it's like a nightmare every time l see that 2nd plane hit

trixie: i watched it live

zwansus: anyone seen images from kabul?

trixie: i have all over the news

Danica: yes it looks like war in Kabul I saw it on cnn live

Mortsport: they're saying it's part of their civil war

zwansus: I think so too

Danica: well see,,,,what is really going on later

zwansus: it would be too stupid for the US

Tatwo: ah Rumsfeld just said its not america bombing kabul

zwansus: who's american inhere?

CutiePieII: ME

trixie: american here

Danica: me

peachy: me :^)

CutiePieII: and?

socksey: me!  god bless america

peachy: why???

Tatwo: me not , but my thought are with you

TheIrishman: same here

zwansus: just for knowing

Danica: thx Tatwo

peachy: Thanks TaTwo :^)

peachy: and thanks Irishman!! :^)

CutiePieII: thanks Tatwo

CutiePieII: and Irishman

AdfinaTheGart: NYC here!

fuseman: - yeah - no politics but we in the UK are thinking of all the people affected .

Danica: thx irishman

Dutchie: gonna try once again, to catch some sleep... i hope i can now...

CutiePieII: Always the common people think of the common people....the higher ups don't

Tatwo: Dutch???

Dutchie: nite all!

zwansus: slaapwel dutchie

peachy: G'night dutchie!! Sweet Dreams!! :^)

Dutchie: yep, Tatwo?

Tatwo: al enig bericht???\

AdfinaTheGart: is is the scarriest day of my life!

peachy: Thanks fuseman!! :^)

Dutchie: mijn vriendin? die heeft me om ongeveer 7 uur gebeld... is er - gelukkig- uitgekomen...

Tatwo: pfffffffffffff

Tatwo: god man

Dutchie: yep!

CutiePieII: sleep tight dutchie

Dutchie: the ergste 4 uren van mijn leven!

peachy: Welterustin Dutchie!! :^)

Dutchie waves goodbye.

zwansus: good rusting dutch

jvietor:  narly

peachy: Good Afternoon jv :^)

CutiePieII: and now I'll never get in until you're completely in and sage

CutiePieII: safe

zwansus: wijs

jvietor:  hi peachy, i hope youre not in manhattan

peachy: no - 500 miles up from manhattan

zwansus: wijs

peachy: still NY though

peachy: lewscannon is - but he is OK :^)

TheIrishman: many fibsters are

TheIrishman: eastvillager?

jvietor:  7 buildings surrounding the wtc also collapsed.

peachy: not sure

peachy: it is incredulous! and horrific!

heymark: not 7blgs but the #7 bldg

Mortsport: correct

zwansus: only one then?

Mortsport: 3 buildings collapsed so far

socksey: cityguy!!!!!!  :)

peachy: Hi there cityguy!! :^)

CutiePieII: ahhh socksey

cityguy: peachy!!

heymark: the wtc is a cluster of many bldgs...if im not mistaken, i think the 93 attack was under the 7blg in the pkg garage

jvietor:  ok, my maid didnt understand that part when she told me. i hope people were evacuated from bldg #7

cityguy: and my long lost love  socksey  LL

Mortsport: jv, is there anything else you want to flaunt while you're at it?

peachy: Apparently Dennis Hastert was just moved to whereabouts unknown...

heymark: whos that?

peachy: speaker of the house -- 3rd in line

jvietor:  i believe airport security has been irrevocably  breached.

jvietor:  thge people who clean the planes and the baggage handflers will be questioned.

Mortsport: airport security is a shambles worldwide

Tatwo: it is Mortsport

mdreier: 3-pointer, anyone?

Mortsport: plainclothed security experts have passed through undetected all over

Tatwo: ist not sloppy but its to much routine ,  all the thousand travellers on one day

Mortsport: rebels claim responsibility for kabul attack

jvietor:    it would be way too soon for the  u.s. to respond since we havent determined the culprit.

Mortsport: mariot hotel is on the verge of collapse

jvietor:  it will be like the domino principle in manhattan. all   those high buildings are too closely stacked.

jvietor:  its as if the carpet was pulled from under the sidewalk

JPL: armand seems to be a droper be forwarned I had 1 roll to go :-)

Mortsport: must be a palestinian

NewOrder: so is CIA tapping FIBS for possible intelligent clues?

Mortsport: no, spongebob hasn't been here for awhile

Danica: lol......thats a good one

NewOrder: spongebob was always suspicious of this thing

autumn: NIHI hasn't been around for awhile either

NewOrder: NIHI crashed into the twin towerts

Mortsport: he's selling saturns today

autumn: he must hav to work all the time these days!

NewOrder: how do you hijiack an airplane with just a knife

Mortsport: you don't

grillbill: did they only have knives?

Mortsport: doubtful

autumn: they probably killed the pilots before they did their deed

Mortsport: they would have to instantly kill 2 pilots

Mortsport: hard to do with a knife unless you're OJ

autumn: the pilots probably didn't know their intention

Mortsport: l think the pittsburgh flight was thwarted by the crew

NewOrder: how about a fork

mdreier: hey - remember that some of Bin Laden's men are US trained...isn't knifes a SEAL speciality?

autumn: you might be right mort

grillbill: knives are a speciality of all special forces

Mortsport: the black box from the pitt flight will be the 1st clues

NewOrder: Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef of Afghanistan: We want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain.

Viper: My condolances to America

Viper: Very sad

nilla: night all....all of you from US have my thoughts

autumn: thanks nilla

NewOrder: come back nilla, I need some personal attention this evening

autumn: thanks viper

JPL: is that true over 10,000 dead?

Mortsport: probably more

JPL: :-)

nilla waves goodbye.

NewOrder: probably a few hundred

jvietor:  at the very least forty thousand

grillbill: definitly in the 1000s

Mortsport: 266 died in the plane crashes alone

jvietor:  not including those crushed by falling debris

heymark: i think 40k is way high...the wtc didnt have full capacity...it was early before most peeps got there

NewOrder: now, who is gonna pay for the twin towers to be rebuild?

JPL: it seems the crew fought the high jacking in the PA crash...any comments?

Mortsport: l would guess that to be true jpl

Mortsport: they figure that flight was headed to the white house

heymark: the wtc probaly wont be rebuilt any time sooon...the bldg in oklahoma never got rebuilt

NewOrder: I just hope they don't do biological weapons

Mortsport: a memorial will probably go in place there

NewOrder: I met this girl today she said she was supposed to be on one of the flights that got hijacked but last night she was stopped for a DUI driving violation and couldn't make the flight this morning

Mortsport: what kind of justice is appropriate for this???

Viper: Death

grillbill: rough justice

JPL: Reagan had the right idea

Draco: he had ideas?

mdreier: yeah - Reagan supported both Bin Laden and Saddam... :)

jvietor:  for those who never read Tom Clancy's  "Executive Orders", the  monkeys with ebola virus were used to fill aeresol cans and sent to convention centers around the country while the crippled pentagon was decimated by a japan airliner .e

jvietor:   while the crippled pentagon was decimated by a japan airliner .e

Mortsport: to even think about what went through the minds of the people that jumped from the wtc instead of facing the fires behind them is uncomprehensible

grillbill: what about the people who saw one collapse and were trapped in the other one?

autumn: i feel for all those that knew what was coming

jvietor:  they will need to restructure the financial markets.

grillbill: this could tip the balance

Viper: This will probably cause a major recession as there will be a lot of money men, and half done deals missing.

Mortsport: back then bin laden was fighting for the afghans against russia

mdreier: yeah - and that was when the US supported him

jvietor:  there will be serious reprocussions in the markets.

grillbill: the FTSE100 fell 250 points

Mortsport: during the gulf war he denounced the US and lost his citizenship in saudi arabia

mws: Buy ASE on ASE, maker of fine X-ray scanning systems.

tom: all the indices except athens

jvietor:  not to mention lack of faith in the destinations being reached during flight.

Tut: Hey USA our thoughts are with you but...  The rest of the world is counting on you to get back on your feet and move again.  Do what you got to do with the enemy and move on! 

autumn: thanks Tut

jvietor:   the FAA  will revamp their security priorities and there will be serious fallout in airline rates and scheduling.

CokeBear: Congress is singing...

Viper: Air travel will not be the same again. I can't see the US allowing any flights in from anywhere but 1st world countries and then only if they get to beef up the security.

Mortsport: we just hope this is a worldwide effort to squash the terrorists

autumn: you are probably right viper

Mortsport: yes, they were singing god bless america

NewOrder: yeah I too agree that this has gone too far

jvietor:  canada has also closed their airports.

NewOrder: so who is the 2nd world

NewOrder: we only hear 1 and 3

grillbill: london has made a no fly zone around it and drafted more police in

pippy: Europe is the "old world" -- 1St -- we are the "new world" -- 2nd --- asia & beyond -- third world

NewOrder: wait, but the hijackers boarded the plains at a US airport?

Viper: At Belfast airport they used to body search you at the door. They scanned all the registrations of the cars and pulled cars up on the approach roads, not just one or two but half of them

NewOrder: I think there is reason to be suspicious of certain passengers

jvietor:    flying will be tricky business.  we may enter into isolationism as in after world war 2

maturin: there are 12,000 stranded travellers in Halifax

Mortsport: they're estimating 200 out of the 400 firefighters might have perished

maturin: I fly into Newark almost once a month... hard to imagine not seeing those towers on the horizon

millennium: I work for Merrill Lynch at the World Financial Center....I didnt even make it to the building...thank Gokd I was an hour late todaya!

NewOrder: well, not anymore maturin

maturin: for sure millennium!

lewscannon: what shape is the wfc in, millenium?

Tut: good for you Millenium   hope your colleages are ok

millennium: not good...its the building right next door to the wfc

NewOrder: so is gnu still cheating

millennium: i hope so too...i havent heard from anyone

lewscannon: i know. i used to work for lehman

millennium: many of the people that i commute with work at the wfc

NewOrder: they should crush a propeller into gnu so he quits che3ating

millennium: so did i lews

millennium: yep

millennium: i am determined to find a job closer to home now!

millennium: where is that

Danica: yes all the money in the world isnt worth it,just think of all those high paid government officials

pixe: my nephew works for bloomberg .. night shift cant get in .. they have to stay ..

TheIrishman: what companies are based in the WTC?

heymark: hundreds

millennium: many irishman...40,000 workerws

pippy: this type of terrorism is impossible to defend against

TheIrishman: Chase Manhattan ? i have a cousin there - just realised

peachy: Xerox had an office there

peachy: Hi there squegger!!! :^)

peachy: Hey there Greg!!! :^)

squegger: hey peaches!!

grillbill: greg!!!!!!!

GregS: grillusbillus!

grillbill: cheers

peachy: wb jc!!! :^)

JCoyne: hello beautiful

JCoyne: fancy a 1 pointer

peachy: thanks - but can't right now....

peachy: :^)

flat_eric: ok folks I wish you all the best ...... may god bless the victims .......... and may god give their friends and relatives  the strength to get over it ! bless you

flat_eric waves goodbye.

JCoyne: well stated

JCoyne: time for some hard core flag waving

mimbing: thnx 4 the match

Bob: 1/3/5/7/9 pointer please

Mortsport: these terrorists should come and visit us like in "red dawn"

Mortsport: they'd have a hard time getting past our duck hunters

Bob: 1/3/5/7/9 pointer please

CokeBear: Bush is talking...

peachy: Hi again & good evening phs!! :^)

trixie: bush really needs a new speech writer!

isis: absolutely

squegger: what would you have him say?

Mortsport: really

trixie: i have big ears and i don't know how to run a country?

Mortsport: he said everything l wanted to hear

mimbing: I wouldn't want to be president...think about it....

squegger: do you want to hear "we are gonna blow the f***ing sand niggers who are responsible off the map"...?

Mortsport: you have a feeling that your hands are tied

Zorba: Hello :)

mimbing: yes

grillbill: that would be a start

squegger: so you what him to say "they are partying on the west bank...  it will be a crater by morning!"...?

maturin: yeah!

grillbill: yay!!

mimbing: YES

trixie: oh god no. but i think his writers are horrible. and he's not very good at reading them either.

Zorba: i see mentality hasnt changed :/

squegger: or how about "even the mother f***ers who claim they are responsible will be history...even if we know they are to hapless to do anything on this grand a scale!!!"...?

chita waves goodbye.

Mortsport: the ultimate friendship would be to see one of our allies go after the terrorists and bring them to us

Zorba: does Iran count as an ally?

mimbing: there you go Mort

nenabr: tkx for you too

Zorba: I dont know, but itsn't the whole idea of kamikaze that the terrorist is already dead?

TheIrishman: if the US blows up a couple of towns/cities in middle-east you will be giving many children lots of motivation to do the same in 10 or 20 years - violence begets violence - it rarely ends it

GregS: very true Irishman

grillbill: blow them up too

DavidRogers: very true, Irishman

Zorba: yes, well, but msome Americans will think the native Americans never stroke back..?

Mortsport: if they harbor the terrorists then yes that will happen

GregS: this whole thing is truely terrible and I feel for the victims and their families, but the recriminations worry me too

Mortsport: it would worry you even more if we just turned our backs on this

Mortsport: wouldn't it?

GregS: you can't, clearly, turn your backs - it is a quandery

Bob: 3 pointer please

peachy: quite a quandery Greg...

Mortsport: this is pretty clear cut

GregS: oh?

Zorba: seems to me prevention is more urgent than reataliation

Zorba: hiya peachy!

peachy: Hi there Zorba!!! :^)

burper: at this magnitude, massive retaliation will be prevention

peachy: prevention?? of other airliners being hi-jacked???

Mortsport: we are talking retribution here

peachy: hi there Macmom! :^)

DavidRogers: If some anonymous stranger kills your friend, should you kill a bunch of strangers to make you feel better? 

peachy: Hello colohiker!! :^)

GregS: and that will solve what?

MacMom: Hi peachy! :-)

Mortsport: it's pretty clear cut that something WILL happen

colohiker: Howdie peaches :)

GregS: yep

MacMom: Hello, colohiker! :-)

colohiker: Hiyas MacMom :)

burper: anonymous?

Zorba: that something better not be aimed at inocent people (also)

squegger: well, david, if a group of strangers draws straws and sends one of them to die killing your friend, then yes, you go after the group....

colohiker: Hello there Zorba :)

Mortsport: l'm sure it won't be

Zorba: hiya colo!

peachy: it is hard to understand - why people were dancing in the streets when this happened here

Mortsport: but there are ALWAYS casualities

GregS: fanaticism

Tatwo: is it true that people from NY can't come on the inet?

Mortsport: they were palastinians

Mortsport: no wonderment there

peachy: no  - I've seen a few from NYC on here earlier

CokeBear: Holy Shit, I've been on FIBS for 12 hours straight now

CokeBear: I should take the shout log and post it to the web

Tatwo: oke thanx peachy.......

colohiker: I have been watching this since early this morning - I am in a state of disbelief that is turning into comprehension

Mortsport: l'm sure some immigrants will be gathered up and questioned

Zorba: oh well... americans did also celebrate victory in Iraq didn't they?

TheIrishman: the people dancing in the streets may see this as their Hiroshima - they may hope that it will end their problems ( i do not necessarily agree)

Mortsport: zorba, victory?

Mortsport: even cuba denounced what happened

colohiker: the President has made it clear that the country from which these terrorists came will be punished and I assume that means near total destruction

CokeBear: NIHILIST? Your thoughts?

burper: anyone that doesn't want to be nuked should denounce it

peachy: not by dancing in the streets Zorba - I clkearly recall being a scared college student

maturin: this cannot go unanswered

burper: unanswering is begging for more

Zorba: there was a ticker parade

Zorba: generals showing videos of "succesful bombardments"

Mortsport: the mushroom cloud looked nukish on the 2nd hit

squegger: even arafat publicly denounced it, but I bet he is partying now in private....

burper: bombardments of criminals

Zorba: making jokes about a happy  Iraqi that had just crossed the bridge...

colohiker: I thinka nuclear response is way off base

peachy: I agree with colohiker

Mortsport: we don't need nukes to bring them to justice

Mortsport: there would be nothing left to bring

maturin: get Bin Laden, Kahdaffi, and Saddam.... for starters

Zorba: mort, do you volunteer for retaliation?

Mortsport: in a heartbeat

peachy: Zorba - what do you think should be done??

GregS: everyone is looking for a 'quick fix', in health, in everything. Everone is also looking to blame someone else for their situation. There are no quick fixes, no pill will fix anything. The only way forward is through understanding and acceptance - not of this violence, but of what makes a person do these things and tackling the issue from that angle. Solve the problem at the source, don't try to whipe it all out because you'll miss bits that will come back to hurt you later

colohiker: good point Greg

TheIrishman: good advice Greg

Zorba: if this attack is "over" now, I don't think a quick reaction is needed peachy

peachy: True Greg!! But no perfect way to do that....

squegger: agree... no quick reaction...

maturin: no one is saying it has to be quick.. just has to be done

Mortsport: where should this start, exactly?

peachy: I don't see any reason to believe this attack is over....

burper: not quick, just thorough

Mortsport: it's easy to say what should be done

squegger: in fact, speculating on an appropriate reaction at this point is premature....

Zorba: problem is the terrorists themselves are already dead

colohiker: there will be severe sabre rattling in Congress shortly, along with intensifying anger in the American people as their shock turns to anger - look out

Mortsport: but logistics sometimes get in the way

squegger: nukes should not be ruled out!

DavidRogers: But whom do you want to blow up? The penalty for schadenfreude should not be death. I would support America in retaliation - we in Britain are in stunned disbelief, and share your horror - but WHO DID IT? THEY should die, not some miserably poor Arabs in Palestine

peachy: why do you say that Zorba??? there had to be a leader of those terrorists..

GregS: and if you kill one or one hundred - will that fix it?

Mortsport: why do you think the US backed out of the midddle eastern talks?

TheIrishman: will killing 100 leaders make up for 1000s of deaths

maturin: Bush's reaction was appropiate

squegger: the knowledge that we are unlikely to use nukes makes these cowardly terrorists very brave!

GregS: or one thousand or one million?

Zorba: yes..I hope it's possible to identify those, peachy...not easy though

peachy: true Zorba!

burper: so Greg, we should all just bow down to evil and give up.  coward

Mortsport: those people have been warring over land for THOUSANDS of years

Zorba: and after ID, it might be difficult to act properly...

peachy: ID??

GregS: no - never - we should face it and confront it and try to find out why it is that others see us as a threat

Zorba: the evil already happened burper..

maturin: let em fight... but not here!

Mortsport: do you actually think we should start peace talks after this

Zorba: identification

Mortsport: or anytime soon

peachy: OK thanks Zorba

Zorba: peace talks never hurt

peachy: I was thinking ID = Independence Day :^) (I'm not thinking straight)

GregS: surely - it is about time that peace became an option - to achieve that it requires understanding

GregS: not of why others cause such attrocities

peachy: peace is a very hard sell!!!

Mortsport: you know it's not as if we DON'T offer assistance to people that need it either

colohiker: In the book The Sum of All Fears where terrorists smuggled a nuke into the US and set it off, the terrorists were identified and the President was faced with the choice of a counterstrike, he declined and I think it was the moral choice

maturin: peace talks are harmful when they become mere enabling

squegger: peace is obviously *not* an option....  did you see the films?????

GregS: but what is going wrong in their lives or situations

Zorba: peachy talks? lol :)

colohiker: peach wine coolers too

peachy: thanks Zorba:^)

Zorba: peace is always an option

GregS: peace is an option - we all have the power to forgive and to create a peace - it requires supreme effort on all sides, but it can be done

peachy: I do think I could use a drink...

Mortsport: in order to get our assistance you have to assimilate to a civilized way of life

squegger: the key there, Greg is "all sides"....  you have just proven my point.... peace is not an option for all sides....

Zorba: not everything that USA does is civilized

peachy: Greg - as much as I would like to agree with you - I don't think Peace is an option - there is no way to get a buy in now...

burper: we live in an uncivil world

GregS: but it could be, squegger - find the reason why the other side cannot accept it and work on that

colohiker: In the end we will be unable to ID the source of the attack so we will blame Afganistan and then bomb the Cinese Embassy ;)

peachy: I agree with Zorba again - buut don't see a goodanswer

colohiker: Chinese

squegger: they cannot accept our way of life!!!

GregS: we live in an unfair world

Ged: Surely the US shold reevaluate their foreign policy and look for the reasons why they are offending so many people around the world... Their support of the Israely (SP?) occupation of Palestinien land for instance...

Mortsport: if there is resistance, this could be grounds for WW lll

Zorba: lol colo

peachy: Ugh!! - Mort - let's hope not!!

CokeBear: I've been on FIBS for 12 straight hours. I should take the shout log and post on the web

peachy: hi there Pebbles!!! :^)