CokeBear: CokeBearNewsFlash: Two Planes crash into WorldTradeCenter Twin Towers
jag: one into each?
CokeBear: yup
CokeBear: Holy Fucking Shit!!! Turn on TV!!
dorbel: simultaneously?
theophilae: a moment of prayer for the families of those killed might be in order..
dorbel: and they think fibs dice are weird
CokeBear: I would guess 200 dead
gammondude: i hear now suicide bombers
jasonj: a moment of prayer for all the gawkers who flock to their TVs
fond: suicide attack
CokeBear: yup
aki: are you guys serious?
lucacp: gg thx
CokeBear: NTSB dude on CNN says no way this is an accident
CokeBear: (This is going to be news for the next 6 months, remember that you heard it first on FIBS)
Karlos: Anyone 1-3?
aki: depends on who sat in this plane?
fond: both planes?
theophilae: gg
rogosin: pictures of the crash on www.bbc.co.uk
fond: 18 mins . between crashes
lucacp: i think the pilots were playing winfibs against each other
jasonj: who won?
jag: not the people in the buildings
lucacp: whe will never know
gammondude: ap reporting plane was hijacked b4 it crashed
lucacp: they are the real droppers
PaulaJones: I am a dropper.
gammondude: im glad u can find humor in such tradegy
jasonj: wouldn't you like to be a dropper too?
PaulaJones: dropping my ratings .....
jasonj: Drink Dr. Opper
fond: both were stolen from united airlines
jasonj: they've robbed me before....
dorbel: the line between tragedy and comedy is very fine
gammondude: i think thats a thin line between love and hate
dorbel: tragedy is when I slip on a banana skin
dorbel: comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die
jasonj: (that's true.)
dorbel: thousands of people will die today in accidents and by murder
dorbel: why is it worse in New York?
dorbel: because they all die at once?
rdd: wow dorbel unimpressed by flying two jet s into a building touch crowd
rdd: tough crowd
dorbel: its an amazing thing true, but I feel no grief , no
gammondude: too bad he wasnt in the bldg
jasonj: beautiful....
jasonj: time for a big group hug, eh?
dorbel: all the people in the building were wonderful people of course
jasonj: of course.
jasonj: think of the children....
fond: so u can judge who'd die
raindance: anyone here in NY right now?
dorbel: two years ago US planes were rocketing a European capital city, where was your grief then?
dorbel: I bet you were cheering in NY
fond: who me?
dorbel: Go Hawks, Go
quine: us planes rocket iraq daily
dorbel: yes
jasonj: (one was shot down today)
fond: u sound so poor
raindance: anyone on here in NY now?
quine: no, i just moved out of the urban death maze, ghouXXXXthough
lewscannon: i used to work in the world trade center
quine: me too
lewscannon: 105th floor
quine: actualy WFC
raindance: lews, is the building full at 8:42 in the morning ?
lewscannon: yep
raindance: that's what I thought
raindance: I wonder if the second building was fully evacuated 18 minutes after the first crash
lewscannon: i imagine that i know a lot of people who still work there
raindance: this will prove to show a heavy loss of life
lewscannon: i'm afraid so, if only from the smoke
lewscannon: we used to watch planes flying past us
luni: sorry sorry sorry petter
cooper: did you hear about the World Trade Center in NYC?
tom: old news
jasonj: where's that?
lewscannon: we're talking about it now
kacer: is it possible to connect via telnet ?
cooper: New York City, USA
lucacp: the first was a 767
rdd: they stopped the market
lewscannon: all roads in and out of nyc and the airports are closed
cooper: i heard that they have closed the airports, tunnels, etc.
lewscannon: and all firefighters in nyc are being called in
rdd: the dow is halted
lewscannon: they're evacuating lower manhattan
lucacp: the pentagon is on fire also
cooper: what!
lucacp: its on dutch tv
cooper: I haven't heard that yet
lucacp: its speculating they are not sure yet
cooper: ok
herestoyoukid: terriost attack
lucacp: for sure
cooper: that is what Bush is saying
herestoyoukid: how did they get passed the radar
cooper: yes, the pentagon is on fire
fond: phalestinian
lewscannon: they're commercial planes
fond: its announced now
lewscannon: i'm hearing that the first plane was hijacked from boston
lucacp: is it true about the pentagon
cooper: yes, the first one was
cooper: yes, it is true about the pentagon
herestoyoukid: aparantly im chatting on yahoo
herestoyoukid: world trade center
jasonj: pentagon
cooper: yes, WTC and the pentagon
cooper: but pres. bush is in florida
tom: cnn'S site is down
rdd: they are evacuating the white house thank god george W is never there
cooper: :-)
jasonj: holy smokes!
cooper: yes!!!
lewscannon: i've got confirmation of the pentagon
cooper: i have cnn on the tv
rdd: shit now i have to worry about incoming planes
herestoyoukid: im watching cnn now
herestoyoukid: they evacuated
cooper: where? i have the tv on in another room
herestoyoukid: theres a fire at the pentagon
cooper: any idea as to who and why yet?
fond: palestinians announced
cooper: for both locations?
Viper: I guess you Americans won't be so keen to bankroll the IRA now, In the UK we''ve had this for 30 years now.
fond: yes
fond: 3 buildings
CokeBear: Did the IRA ever do anything like this?
Viper: About 3,00 dead in total
Viper: many women and kids
lucacp: h
cooper: which location? NYC or Wash?
dorbel: the IRA have killed thousands over the years
CokeBear: All at once?
lucacp: they must fly a 767 on bush his head that would be a good thing
Viper: they peak at about 28
dorbel: one at a time? all at once? what's the difference?
herestoyoukid: they hijacked an army helicopter that crashed in to the buuilding
dorbel: the difference here is that they are americans I think
fond: they sez theres a third plane was for pentagon
fourth: thanks for all the invites - but I'm just waiting for Castanza to come back
fond: was a 757
herestoyoukid: world war three!!!!!!!
cooper: please, lets hope not!
piquant: is America at war ?? now pentagon hit
Viper: Where's the anti aircraft guns at the Pentagon?
cooper: who knows!
herestoyoukid: thats what im thinking
Viper: Air travel will never be the same that's for sure
herestoyoukid: no air traffic in the us
CokeBear: World War 3, and we don't know who the opponent is yet
jasonj: all airline traffic is stopped!
cooper: do you really think so?
jasonj: hope you weren't going anywhere today.
jasonj: FAA said so
herestoyoukid: yep
herestoyoukid: all airprts have been shut down
CokeBear: What about planes in the sky?
jasonj: probably heading for the nearest building
CokeBear: Do they just stop where they are, & hover in the air?
herestoyoukid: every tunnel into washington as been blocked
cooper: no, they have to land some where
jasonj: they certainly will
lucacp: i think monica lewinsky was giving head to the pilot
djroecher: can some just give a quick resumee on what has happened? I cant connect to any news site ....
CokeBear: Two planes crashed into World Trade Center Towers
jasonj: the web has been hit!
CokeBear: A bomb at the Pentagon
piquant: terrorist obviously ..but which group ?
dorbel: could all be a giant fibsspoof
cooper: terrorists have flown two planes in to each of the world trade centers in NYC and
CokeBear: No claim of responsibility
jasonj: I heard a claim
djroecher: are you serious about the bomb?
rogosin: No - photos on BBC.com TF1.com - it's true
herestoyoukid: jesus george bush just aid we wil not reat until we track down those that are responsbile
jasonj: it's a palestinian liberation organization
CokeBear: NEWS: The explosion at the pentagon was a plane crash
cooper: is it a bomb or a plane for the pentagon
herestoyoukid: plane
CokeBear: Plane
jasonj: amazing.
lewscannon: another plane
CokeBear: This is a co-ordinated attack on the ISA
CokeBear: er... USA
jasonj: just fucking amazing....
djroecher: serious about the pentagon?
herestoyoukid: oh well any one for a game may be our last
herestoyoukid: yes
jasonj: yes... pentagon is hit
CokeBear: I'm in Canada, nobody hates us enough to do this
jasonj: capitol building is evacuated
jasonj: west wing of the white house evacuated
herestoyoukid: two planes crashed into he world trade cener and 1 into he pentagon
cooper: treasury build. is also being evacuated
CokeBear: Americans insist on pissing off the whole world, this is what happens
dorbel: anti chech shirt terroists?
jasonj: amazing....
dorbel: Coke Bear hits the spot
jasonj: I was only pissing in the woods...
lewscannon: apparently a paestinian group has taken credit for this
lucacp: you are right coke bear
jasonj: hopefully no one flies into my house
rdd: oh no howard stern is off the air
jasonj: tragedy!!
lucacp: BEE GEES
jasonj: they've hit us where it hurts the most!
dorbel: lol
lucacp: white house is hit
dorbel: muted lol of course
herestoyoukid: is it white
cooper: was the white house hit?
rdd: would this be a bad time to call companies in that building looking for a job?
herestoyoukid: im iin australia everyone loves us
herestoyoukid: i hope
cooper: :-P)
rdd: uh oh sirens are going off in chicago
CokeBear: Cat in a tree?
CokeBear: or something bigger
herestoyoukid: they just recieved a threat that the terriots are going to bomb the whitehouse
fond: 4th. ! a shopping mall
fond: in W
lucacp: explosionin second tower
CokeBear: One of the World Trade Center Towers just collapsed
rdd: wow these guys weren't fucking around
cooper: completely?
herestoyoukid: watching it on ccn
fond: at NY
dorbel: are terriots responsible or teriosts? We should be told
rdd: what is a terioist?
CokeBear: Anonymous claim of responsibilty from Palestinian Org
herestoyoukid: someone that scares dorbel
fond: theres a 4th. !!! in NY
CokeBear: Denied by other members of that Org
cooper: where is the 4th?
fond: in NY
rdd: i wonder if i can get on tv if I say i did it
piquant: what this time fond ?
fond: a shopping mall
tom: any idea where I can find that infom online?
CokeBear: nope
Gerhard_Hofer: maybe a new explosion
cooper: as far as i know the news sites are still down
fond: this is unbeliavable!!!
tom: they are
rdd: i need a second
CokeBear: Sears Tower in Chicago has been evacuated
lucacp: i hope it hit puff daddy or p diddy or whatever he calles himself
Gerhard_Hofer: center tower collapses
CokeBear: "Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine"
fond: palestinians denied
spiffy: it's insane
CokeBear: uh huh, real Democratic of them
tom: any problems in Chicago?
CokeBear: Sears Tower evacuated
rdd: sorry
CokeBear: No booms yet
spiffy: the pentagon has been hit
lucacp: i think its an action from greenpeace
CokeBear: This was mega-coordinated...
Gerhard_Hofer: sell al what you have 3 war
spiffy: they have shut down DC
spiffy: and all air traffic, nationwide
fond: one of twins totally collapsed now
cooper: yes
spiffy: nothing comes, nothing goes
lucacp: is the pilot a dropper??
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: anyone in NYC?
CokeBear: Did the NASDAQ open today?
cooper: no, my brother in law is
jasonj: no trading
lucacp: the roof is on fire
lewscannon: yes, cb
cooper: he heard it in brooklyn heights
lucacp: wall street opens low today
Gerhard_Hofer: Lucap: no he play only with bombs
lewscannon: part of wtc1 has collapsed into a nother building
maaty: 3 pointer?
maaty: ich will spielen!!!!
lewscannon: i used to work there
rdd: wow my life doesnt' seem so bad now
CokeBear: All market trading closed today
cooper: r u in NYC?
lewscannon: yep
cooper: did you hear it?
lewscannon: no, i'm uptown
cooper: ok
CokeBear: Plane #4 hit the base of the south tower, causing it to collapse
CokeBear: Plane #3 hit the pentagon
lewscannon: but i know a few people who work on the 105th floor of the building :<
cooper: is it a definite on plane #4?
CokeBear: The south tower no longer exists
cooper: lews: I am very sorry about your friends
herestoyoukid: they just went on full scale war alert
lewscannon: i worked there from 1995-97
cooper: who did?
cooper: oh
herestoyoukid: america accoordingto cnn
fond: apocalips
cooper: i am starting to wonder about that...
CokeBear: Explosion on Capitol Hill
herestoyoukid: just herd it
CokeBear: Possible Plane Crash
lucacp: maybe the americans learn now they can not fuck around with the whole world
CokeBear: lucacp: not now
fond: so this was a lesson??
lucacp: i hope
lewscannon: no, unfortunately, this is a beginning
cooper: do you really thnk that?
fond: again... palestinias announce they were not
CokeBear: This attack required a large number of people, very co-ordinated...
cooper: yes, it had to be!
cooper: it has to be a larger group to do all of this!
fond: yes
rdd: someone please please alert superman
bedstefar: hej Barkeeper, venter pX at afslutte med AVRIL..........hvis det da ikke er en quitter
CokeBear: My guess would be Palestinians, but I would've thought that even they would be stupid enough to declare war on USA
herestoyoukid: maybe they were
CokeBear: (wouldn't)
Gerhard_Hofer: no explosion in capitol
Gerhard_Hofer: two streets behind
CokeBear: Who here in in NY or DC?
lewscannon: here, cb
CokeBear: How far from WTC?
lewscannon: i'm uptown, thank god
CokeBear: How do you co-ordinate a hijacking of 6 planes at the same time?
CokeBear: 737s and 767s
rdd: damn i wish howard stern was on
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: ?
fond: a track full w/bombs explode
Gerhard_Hofer: second tower fall
fond: infront of foreign min. building
jasonj: second tower is gone.
jasonj: the world trade center is history.
CokeBear: bummer
CokeBear: I wonder if they will be able to find the Black Boxes from those planes
CokeBear: Car Bomb at the State Dept (unconfirmed)
CokeBear: Another hijacking (unconfirmed)
fond: US is in war allert!!!
CokeBear: Source?
CokeBear: fond: Source?
fond: in TR news
CokeBear: TR?
fond: turkish
piquant: where is it unconfirmed hijacking ?
CokeBear: heading for Washington DC
onthego: my son in law lives in new york
fond: american president 's family gets in to air force one
onthego: lives across the madison square garden
fond: Us in war
piquant: has declared ???
fond: yes:(
CokeBear: on who?
CokeBear: When you declare war, don't you have to pick an opponent?
CokeBear: Who do they reply to?
fond: unknown
CokeBear: 747 down in Pennsylvania
CokeBear: Part of the Penatgon collapsed
fond: air force one on air
CokeBear: CanaryWharf Buildings in London, UK evacuated
SchmitZ: who's ready?
onthego: party time for the arabs
tokendo: Can't get on the internet, but we can play BG wooohooo
CokeBear: This is the place for news
fond: its like an sience fiction drama
CokeBear: I read a book once that played out a similar scenario
SchmitZ: yeah today is my birthday
onthego: pearl harbor all oner again
onthego: over
CokeBear: But at least Pearl Harbor we knew who to shoot back at
onthego: deport all palistimians
fond: can u believe palestinians can organize such big thing?
CokeBear: Osama bin Laden?
Gerhard_Hofer: a new plane attack pentagon
CokeBear: Is he buddies with Arafat?
fond: never happened such thing before!
fond: its not just to US, its to all world
csg: good morning fibsters
csg: anyone turned the tv on?
Gerhard_Hofer: i think all
csg: Muslims, what great people
fond: yes csg?
onthego: a religeon, can u believe?
csg: has anyone seen tv this morning?
CokeBear: dude, we've been talking about it here since 8:47
CokeBear: (EDT)
SSNAG: Does anyone wish to bet against me that the deathtoll from all this is going to be greater than 1500?
onthego: a sad day for the whole world
CokeBear: try 20,000
CokeBear: 50,000 people work in the World Trade Center
onthego: 50,000 work in trade center
SSNAG: Yeah thats what I fear but I can hope that god guarded some of the potential victims..........
CokeBear: Arafat has "condemned" these attacks
CokeBear: God?
CokeBear: LOL
Gerhard_Hofer: F 16 atacks plane who like to go to pentagon
CokeBear: How can you talk about god at a time like this?
fond: there was a plain through washington for 2 sec. in radar
SSNAG: easy if you don't believe in god then this act of war is something that is way to much for one nation to with stand..........
csg: Let's have a war
csg: American Jihad
CokeBear: CNN already has a name for the broadcast:
CokeBear: "America Under Attack"
csg: Pablo Escobar's people did this?
jasonj: NBC's .... TARGET: AMERICA
onthego: so is canada cokebear, the entire world is a effected
csg: I think America should go to the middle east and kick some ass
Draco: why are you guys so sure external forces are responsible? What about the nutters responsible for Oklahoma?
SSNAG: csg when a nation state wantingly murders the citizens of another nation a state of war exists. The United states of America is now at war with an unknown nation but at a guess Afganistan would be my prime suspect.
dice: here in Jamaica no problem mon ~~~~~~~~~~~
CokeBear: What if its Americans (a la Tim McVeigh)?
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: anyone claim resposibility yet?
CokeBear: not officially
dice: don is responsible
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: for the bombings?
CokeBear: NIHILIST
SSNAG: I heard that a Palenstinean group claimed responsibilitly
dice: don is responsible
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: and some country has declaired war???
dice: spliffs for all
csg: who could organize such a thing?
dice: don is responsible
SSNAG: an agent of the devil csg............
jasonj: I think it's C.H.I.M.P
csg: I just took a doodoo
jasonj: that's the best news I've heard all day.
fond: NASA evacuated
Gerhard_Hofer: Source ?
fond: turkish news
fond: reuters too
Gerhard_Hofer: thanks
UnLuckY: 5th plane has been spoted crashed in pensylvania...
tokendo: word of other airliners unnaccounted for
UnLuckY: BelgaNews
tokendo: I can't get on the internet to see Rueter's, AP, etc
fond: pentagon announced to US media... the plane that flies over washington will be shot in any case
aki: one pointer anyone?
Draco: stay here - better news feed than the BBC
fond: im stucked here like i cant log in again
Gerhard_Hofer: in Europe all american officiel building evacuated
tokendo: NBC: Day of Disaster lol
aki: not here in munich
UnLuckY: Smoke is coming out from W residence...
aki: i mean the evacuation
UnLuckY: Gelga news
Draco: W residence?
Draco: White House?
UnLuckY: White house?
UnLuckY: duno, they sais the President's residence
fond: american media sez ussame bin ladin....
fond: taliban gonna make an announcement soon
UnLuckY: BelgaNews says Ben Ladin is the only one who has the means of doing such an attack...
mimicarey: anyone for 1/3/5?
myzd: hi everyone, may God bless all people in USA!!!!!
Tremorchrist: Hello all, condolances to all my American Fibs friends :(
Honeygirl_ll: thx tremor and myzd
myzd: i actually had tears in my eyes when i saw the scene
odonto: come on...anyone...try the coming norwegian champion!
onthego: myzd, me too
Tremorchrist: Australia is thinking of you and hope you flick the purpetrators off the face of OUR earth !!
fond: american airlines announced 2 lost planes were w/150 passengers
UnLuckY: There is a lot of sadness and consternation in the world today
myzd: what on earth is going on taking thosands innocent peoples lives to satify their ridiculous .... whatever too upset
rdd: wow how is cnn.com down and fibs up?
Tremorchrist: ? perverted aggression. psychotic.
odonto: how many dead?
fond: passengers? ... all
myzd: more than 1000 now
odonto: ok
odonto: OSAMA BIN LADEN...u're gonna die for this.
aki: odonto, you figured it all out....
Tremorchrist: has denied it already
fond: report sez he was telling this 1 week ago to a newspaper in london
aki: odonto is as smart as fbi and cia together lol
odonto: told it 3 weeka ago.
fond: another plane crashed close to pitsbourg
Tremorchrist: !!
myzd: by the way where did panes end up at?
myzd: planes i mean
odonto: have to get home...watch the news...odonto, from oslo...norway...thx for this peaceful country...bye!)
fond: bye
SchmitZ: who's ready?
aki: what about the plane flying towards pentagon
Tremorchrist: not sure aki, still some missing
Trilobite: "no longer a threat", radio says
aki: does cnn h
myzd: i thought 8 were hijacked
Symba: one additional plane is still missing
Trilobite: I'm in Brooklyn, and fighter jets have recently soared over us
UnLuckY: US Ambassy and National Airport completely bucled up, here in Brussels...
Tremorchrist: Manhattan lockdown !
Trilobite: Bush says the "folks" who did this will be found
UnLuckY: Have to go, condolances to american friends & allies !
funny: all flight in Canadian airport canceled
fond: america ready to retaliation... to unknown....
gmorgan: OMG sorry u guys in America my sympathy is with ya's
Tremorchrist: here here gm
bluebeard: I really liked the WTC towers, and as for the number of fatalities... sheesh..
CokeBear: Another hijacked plane still in the air
gmorgan: where
CokeBear: Was Boston to L.A.
funny: around washing
funny: around washington
Tremorchrist: may it land safely
CokeBear: not likely
CokeBear: It will probably be shot down
Tremorchrist: fair call. hey cb
bluebeard: now there's a tough call
gmorgan: We all know revenge will happen soon enough
Tremorchrist: here's hoping, but not good enough!
gmorgan: exactly
bluebeard: it sounds like no one has a clue who's responsible
Megges: All good wishes to america from germany, We are shocked here.
CokeBear: Jihad
CokeBear: or Osama bin Laden
COS: very very sad
fond: taliban ambassador to pakistan condemned attacks
fond: this rules out ussame ben ladin
CokeBear: My Dad was in the US Consol in Toronto. They were evacuated by RCMP and guys with big guns.
funny: 747 boeing crashed in Somerset Pennsylvania
Trilobite: I'm too sick to laugh at that one
Trilobite: Palestinians in Jordan were shooting their guns in the air in triu mph
Draco: is that the same 747 as before or another one?
Tremorchrist: i feel sick too !
gmorgan: I'm an hour away from Toronto and there shuting alot down heere too
CokeBear: What?
Megges: I hope America will react prudently
Trilobite: I am in New York, the devastation in beyond description
gmorgan: my prays r with you all
Trilobite: Bush couldn't even find New York on a map
bluebeard: X
Tremorchrist: here here Trilobite !
urgu: Personally, I find all this rather immoral... How many casualties did US bombs cause in Serbia, Iraq, and so on?
Trilobite: Bush says the "Folks who did this should be investigated"
urgu: USA is not the centre of the world
gmorgan: it is today
Joe_Tamargo: Let us congratulate urgu on his sensitivity.
fond: american airbase in turkey in beta alarm now... so all others
Tremorchrist: urgu look up the term immoral ok
Draco: what does beta mean?
Megges: black day for the world today
fond: dont know
gmorgan: this is unbeleivable : ((
mat waves goodbye.
Joe_Tamargo: Beta is the letter B.
Draco: oh, such wit
Joe_Tamargo: I was serious.
fond: america closed border to mexico
patrija: beta is the second stage of security alert... alpha being the least: delta the highest
Draco: thank you
patrija: you're welcome
Tremorchrist: i think the world just clicked up a few notches in alert
Tremorchrist: for years to come
csg: who did it?
gmorgan: arms race will start all over agin
csg: America needs a national identity card
bluebeard: Bush's missile shield would have saved us!
Megges: we couldnt allow a few terrorist to stop a peace process for our race !!!
reima: I would like to express my outrage for what happened..lets hope things don't escalate to the verge of a global crisis.
Draco: As I said before, why are you so sure this wasn't the work of McVeighs buddies?
CokeBear: 1) They aren't into kamakazee
myzd: may we all pray for this tradegy!!
Tremorchrist: OMG ? 200 missing Ambo's & Firemen !
CokeBear: 2) They don't have the organization to hijack 6 planes simultaneously
myzd: i thought 8
CokeBear: 8? ok 8
mmteam waves goodbye.
Draco: possibly true, but who else does?
CokeBear: bin Laden
CokeBear: Arafat
fond: so orgnized
Draco: evidence?
csg: it is either kook americans, Pablo Escobar's friends or Muslims
gmorgan: what does this say about airport secruity
Tremorchrist: too early don't guess.
bluebeard: Arafat says he's shocked as much as everyone else
Draco: no way is this Arafat's work
CokeBear: of course he says that, if he didn't he'd be dead
aurel: not a single person is behind: it must be a whole logistic aof a state
CokeBear: Taliban?
onthego: i'll bet arafat knows the bastards that did it
Tremorchrist: Don't Guess !
Megges: arafat would stop all peace process, i dont think that he personally has something to do with this unbelieveable killing
guggus: u are right tremo
aurel: must have pilot knowledge, must have trainingcamps, must have technical support - ergo: a state is behind this terror
Tremorchrist: and psychotic en-masse....
Megges: i think it was a radical group of people not a state
Dutchie: hi all!
Mooncan: What a tradgedy....
aurel: well, not whole state but a group supported by one
Mooncan: Anyone here in NYC ?
Tremorchrist: hi dutchie
Dutchie: does anyone know any information phone number for the situation in NY? my girlfriend works in the WTC, and I am trying to get info...
aurel: NYC telefones are blocked
fond: Dutchie its almost impossible to reach now
aurel: only emergency communication
onthego: i got emil from ny
onthego: email
Brian_J: .... late riser , whats going on ????
Dutchie: me too... from other friends... but not from my gf... :(
aurel: Dutchie - where are you from?
Tremorchrist: OMG BJ turn on the TV, sept 11th 2001
CokeBear: Disney World has been evacuated
Dutchie: i am in the Netherlands... my gf is from - and in - NY though... she works (or should i say worked, given the fact that both collapsed) in tower 1, on the 53rd floor...
CokeBear: I'm so sorry man
bluebeard: me too... there was about 1/2 hour to evacuate I think
Tremorchrist: WTC no longer exists BJ, I'm so sorry too Dutchie, could have got out though !
nilla: Im very sorry too Dutchie!!
fond: im so sorry Dutchie
aurel: must be 40-50.000 dead
Tremorchrist: many have got out np
pixe: Dutchie she may have gotten out .. lots did in 60 in and under
Dutchie: could be less, aurel... about 20,000 work in the WTC... about 5,000 visitors on average...
Dutchie: that's what i'm hoping, pixe...
Tremorchrist: heard interview with male on 77th floor tower 1 !!
onthego: me too guchie, i'm crying damnit those who did this
Dutchie: thanks, Tremorchrist! that at least sounds good!
socksey: guessing is unproductive....best to hold tongue until true perpetrators are found out.
fond: right
Tide: Tremor, I saw that interview too, the guy that was on 77th floor said that the evacuation was fairly orderly
CokeBear: good news
Dutchie: guess i better play a game... it might distract my mind a bit...
Tremorchrist: exits were ok for some time yes
socksey: hug to everyone!
Dutchie: thanks, Tide! that sounds better than what i heard sofar!
Tatwo: geen telefoon zeker in america Dutchie???
Tide: good luck Dutchie
Dutchie: nope, Tatwo, all phones are down...
Tatwo: tjonge wat een ellende
csg: how did they get the pilot to fly the plane into the building?
CokeBear: Probably shot him and flew it themselves
Nashvilleman: Probably took over them selves
Tatwo: think so cokebear
socksey: auto pilot?
csg: how did they fly the plane so well?
csg: two direcet hits
bluebeard: microsoft flight simulator!
CokeBear: Are there terrorists who know how to fly planes?
socksey: crazy is not dumb
Tatwo: you bet Cokebear , lot of terrorists joined the army
csg: I was watching footage from the West Bank where the Palestinians are celebrating
csg: give me a gun I will go to Afganistan
Dutchie: only some, csg... not all!
csg: Dutchie, stop being so politically correct
dorbel: no you wouldnt csg
onthego: just got ph call from ny
onthego: its sporadic access to phones
Dutchie: csg, not politically correct... just realistic...
onthego: cell is out
csg: Dutchie, ergo all Palestinians are good, fuck you
socksey: my aunt in houston says that all of downtown houston is being evacuated
aurel: hey palestinians have problems as well, give solidarity to those who suffer
gmorgan: Dutchie gl brother and to everyone else GOD BLESS... later all
Tremorchrist: bye gm
Tremorchrist: whoever is behind it was the leader of a minority, not a people !
csg: Tremorchrist, lets talk about responsibility
The_Big_Duck: The Big Duck is FINE! Thank you for your concern!
CokeBear: Where are you?
csg: I am sure there were a minority of Germans that were against the Nazis
The_Big_Duck: On Long island, 50 miles away...
CokeBear: Can you see the smoke?
The_Big_Duck: No
The_Big_Duck: Both my sister and her hubby are in the City...they are holing up for the night with friends
Dutchie: are they ok, Duck?
CokeBear: bin Laden is denying responsibility
The_Big_Duck: Yep...they are fine. My bro-in-law..whom I love like a brother, was in the basement of teh building NEXT TO the Twin Towers
The_Big_Duck: Is that official?
funny: CBS news : more than thousand dead
The_Big_Duck: Easily north of 2,00 dead
Joe_Tamargo: I can see a tremendous pall of smoke from my bedroom window in the middle of Queens.
CokeBear: 50,000 people worked in the WTC
piquant: wheres he denying it from Packistan ?
The_Big_Duck: I was watching the second crash and both collapses live on TV...blew my fucking Duck brain
CokeBear: I'm shocked, but not suprised.
Tremorchrist: me too
fond: taliban is denying.... by pakistan tv
Mortsport: when they are found they will be eliminated, most likely islamic factions
piquant: the packis are hiding him
csg: Death To The Towelheads!
jag: I notice they're assuming it's islamic fundamentalists again, wrong last time
CokeBear: Could be Iraq, China...
dorbel: bravo csg
CokeBear: North Korea
Tremorchrist: why guess and offend, wait for proof and exterminate
The_Big_Duck: Yeah, but the methodology is NOT Militia style
Dutchie: i agree, Tremorchrist!
CokeBear: This is way beyond the resources of the Palestinians
Draco: hmmm what resources are needed other than organisation?
CokeBear: It takes alot to hijack a plane...
The_Big_Duck: Whoever pulled this off had pilots, exceptional planning, suicide bombers....very puzzling
CokeBear: to hijack 8 planes?
The_Big_Duck: Or Trained pilots
Mortsport: osama bin laden issued a warning 3 weeks ago that an unprecedented attack on american interests would be carried out in retaliation of US support of lsrael
Tremorchrist: extrordinarily successful terrorist act , lex luther brilliant and insane
Festful: some people are speculating if it was american extremists...any comment on that?
dorbel: I suspect the CIA
socksey: that would be a speculation after the ok city bombing
onthego: landing and take offs take skill not plying
Festful: did all planes lift from american airports?
socksey: how about that young boy who made it to moscow a few years ago....
jag: Russt? Bit different scenario
jag: how many of the planes have crashed? any still up?
Dutchie: my girlfriend just called... she was on the 13th fllooor when it happened - purely accidental...
Tremorchrist: 50 still up all accounted for i just heard
Tide: good news Dutchie
piquant: so happy for you Dutchie ;-))
reima: congrats dutchie!!
Tremorchrist: excellent Dutchie
griff: Hooray - thanks for telling us Dutch
fond: **S** Dutchie
Dutchie: thanks guys!
onthego: great dutchie
Dutchie: now lets hope many more got out!
socksey: :)
Tremorchrist: just heard "act of war" from US stateman for the first time
jag: statesman? not bush then
csg: what do we do if it was Bin Laden?
Tremorchrist: is pointing at bin laden, given know one else would dare !
fond: american airbase in turkey in delta alarm now
socksey: i'll bet
Tremorchrist: no "spokesperson" only
Mortsport: cruise missles first to Afghanistan. that is where he is hiding
dorbel: yeah, rocketing some camel drivers somewhere is a good plan
CokeBear: I've been thinking about it, and there is no way the pilots were alive at the time of the crash
CokeBear: All it would take is one terrorist on each plane, with a small gun, and flying skills...
CokeBear: Shoot the pilot & co-pilot, take over the plane, and crash it
Patti: And you don't need that much skill-- you only have to maneuver the plane, not land it.
Mortsport: this is far worse than Pearl Harbor
CokeBear: Anyone here ever flown a 737 or 767?
socksey: we are a larger target
dorbel: though not as bad as Hiroshima say
jag: did they train on Microsoft Flight Simulator
socksey: i've flown 747
govert: apparently not!
CokeBear: How hard is it to manuver, for a non-pilot?
govert: (the training)
Tremorchrist: i wonder if the pittsburg crash was a heroic (US) pilot ?
Patti: Probably anybody who has flown a light plane could fly a 747 well enough to hit the tower.
Mortsport: yes
Patti: You don't have to take off or land, and those are the hard parts.
Tremorchrist: at least for the last run in !
socksey: LOL....not as a pilot
Joe_Tamargo: They say it's a lot harder than driving a car. You have to keep the nose level.
jag: you'd still have to know certain controls - turn off autopilot etc
Dutchie: this is so weird... i am so happy about my gf... and still so sad about this happening...
pixe: Dutchie you heard from her?
CokeBear: She ok?
Patti: I think I could do it if I had to.
piquant: dutchie thats normal ;-)) and be happy you deserve to be and pray for those that lost lives and loved ones
Tremorchrist: you're aloud to be happy Dutchie
govert: what is the latest from Manhattan?
jag: were all the hijacked planes from the same airline? how many?
dice: Yankees still in 1st
CokeBear: 2 from United
CokeBear: 2 from AA
pixe: nothing .. just treating the wounded .. all out bound and in bound traffic is halted ..
jag: 2 hit WTC, 1 Pentagon, where else?
CokeBear: Pittburgh
piquant: White house 1
Trilobite: I am about six milesd from lower Manhattan, there have been fighter jets flyong overhead earlier & I can smell the horror clearly from here
griff: I suspect the Pittsburgh one was shot down....
jag: what would the target have been?
Trilobite: My Brother in Law who works nearby got out of the area by ferry, before the collapse
govert: White House?
CokeBear: This is surreal
griff: You got that right CB
CokeBear: President is at an AFB in Louisiana
Patti: Friend of mine is in DC right now; she and I are supposed to be going to London on Thursday.
Tremorchrist: i heard them interview tom clancy --- surreal.
CokeBear: Clancy has predicted shit like this for years
Trilobite: Bush has been brought to Shrevesport, LA
Tremorchrist: opening question was reguarding life imitating art !
jag: i'd hardly call clancy art
griff: I suspect you're not travelling Patti
Dutchie: it sound a lot like that book though, jag...
Patti: I suspect not, but who knows?
Tremorchrist: i agree , big generalisation
CokeBear: Taliban dude on CNN
onthego: r the airports in europe effected?
griff: BA have suspended all flights indefinitely
griff: To and from the US
govert: Scandinavian airlines aren't flying to the US.
pixe: someone just said the USS washington and Kenndy are in the water ..
Trilobite: only flights in US are Air Force
dice: and where is don
CokeBear: pixe: yup, headed for New York
govert: swedish airports still open
socksey: all commercial us flights suspended
griff: Where else would they be pixe ?
Trilobite: flights heading to US, diverted to Canada
dice: and where is don
CokeBear: I'm in London, Ontario, and planes are headed here
govert: like we're in the hotspot :-)
CokeBear: 747s normally don't land here, but the runways are long enough
govert: Jerusalem airport closed
Trilobite: It's odd the only person who can fly in US is Bush, & he's the most useless one
govert: LOL!
Trilobite: not a joke
jag: probably better more time he spends in the air
Trilobite: he couldn't find NY on a map
griff: Takes him off the suspect list then
dorbel: a Bush in the air is worth two on the ground
pixe: I wanta throw up ..
Trilobite: I've been crying all morning
socksey: go to the bathroom pixe
govert: sure.
quine: glad aXi XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Honeygirl_ll: lews u ok?
lewscannon: fine. hg. thx
Trilobite: Bush called the terrorists "theFOLKS who did this"
socksey: hey lews...hg :)
Honeygirl_ll: hi soxs
reima: NICE FOLKS indeed...
lewscannon: but i used to work in the wtc. a lot of people that i know are dead now :<
quine: i worked there until february
Honeygirl_ll: sorry lews
Tremorchrist: i'm sorry Lews
lewscannon: it's surreal
Trilobite: I've been there many times,& they had security you wouyldn't believe & fire drills, etc.
socksey: my sympathy lews :(
patrija: i hope those firedrills helped to save many lives
lewscannon: i'm hoping some people made it, but.....
mpopj: how far from wtc is Square Garden ? My daughter knows someone who is there.
Tremorchrist: many did Lews 77th fl tower 1 , one example
Trilobite: I saw some jumping out of the upper stories on tv
quine: any rep[orts on whether there were bombs inside or not?XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX i wonder what caused all those secondary blasts
Mortsport: people were jumping out the windows trying to escape the fires behind them. what is worse, the fire, or the fall
quine: square garden is too far away to be in any danger
mpopj: thanks quine
lewscannon: i'm hearing that there were bombs, too
Trilobite: MSG is over 3 miles north
Trilobite: no bomb, just the planes
rpo: not bombs, just strutural damage
lewscannon: i'm hearing about bombs on the news, trilobite
Trilobite: there was a bomb in Washington, I believe
orko: there was a car bomb in washington, i heard.
MaddDogg: on the plus side we can now go on a wholesale killing spree of terrorists
Trilobite: not in NYC
Trilobite: should we start with the terrorists who stole the election?
Tremorchrist: could change the world Maddog
onthego: there is no plus side to this
quine: it isn't clear what could have caused the secondary explosions, trilobyte. the towers don't have flammable materials inside....
lewscannon: yeah, in nyc. i'm watching the news here
MaddDogg: what an idiotic statement
dorbel: then why make it Maddog?
quine: not that would cause such an abrupt explosion... though of course the heat buildup could have cause a presure buildup
XXX: the planes were fully fueled for a cross country flight..that caused big explosions on impact..then there were gas leaks causing more explosions
Tremorchrist: aero fuel is serious shit!
mimbing: anyone for 3/5 ptr??
fourth waves goodbye.
govert: 3/5 anyone
Slampig: hello
govert: hello Slampig
govert: how is your corner of the world?
Slampig: mad as hell
govert: welcome :-(
Mooncan: petityoda is a dropper
Tremorchrist: seems irrelevant today
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: How many floors collapsed?
dorbel: good 'ol fibs, planes hitting buildings and they moan about droppers
Slampig: all of them
raindance: presumably all
pixe: both towers collapsed
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: unreal
raindance: well, it's been a long time since we've had war
socksey: lol@dorbel.....life goes on
Slampig: bin laden will pay
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: pretty tough to fight a war against this
raindance: perhaps not, this is the sort of event that can change the world
jag: thought theyd denied it
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: so you nail bin laden.... then someone else takes over
raindance: Oboe, this will be tracked down, probably we are now beyond conventional terrorist dealings as far as a US response
Tremorchrist: listening to initial state reactions i would be concerned if i lived in Afghanistan
coolpaula: heck.... i'd just GENERALLY be CONCERNED if i lived in Afganistan!
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: and you have to wonder how the terrorist will "top" this act?
Slampig: this would be like the US bombing the dome of the rock or Mecca, which should be considered
Oboe_Whan_Kenobe: whats next a mushroom cloud over LA or Paris?
Tremorchrist: they wont, here comes decades of big brother paranoia and hard lines
dorbel: WHAT Slampig is joking surely
coolpaula: and our govt gets all uppity about some poor afgani refugees
jasonj: The Latin Grammy's Have been postponed!!
Tremorchrist: yes coop , you think John will skulk home ?
pixe: baseball is postponed ..
Slampig: no i'm not joking
coolpaula: one hell of a barbeque for him!
dorbel: terrifying
Slampig: level iraq
Slampig: finish the job
jag: why? probably not them
pixe: its not them? who is was it?
dorbel: Jesus, and they wonder why anyone would bomb America
raindance: to all US citizens, please make a rendezvous point of contact with family, make sure u have plenty of cash on hand. Godspeed
Mortsport: probably funded by lraq
dice: fbi is looking for don
Festful: don....Don King?
Slampig: just look what we did to japan
Slampig: someone will pay
onthego: a spiral of hate
Mortsport: 2400 lost at Pearl Harbor
suz: and a spiral of violence
dorbel: bombing is wrong, so lets bomb 'em to hell
raindance: Days like today may be seminal events in history, godspeed, godspeed
Patti: WOuld someone explain this to me please: The Golden Gate Bridge is open to vehicles, but not to pedestrian traffic.
jag: its safer to drive in California than walk, thought everyone knew that
jasonj: that means you can drive across the bridge
socksey: maybe suicide breeds suicide....patti....
jasonj: but you can't walk across it.
raindance: 911
coolpaula: raindance,,, makin sense
Slampig: because it's the quickest way to get emergency services across the bay
Slampig: and evacuate people
Patti: But that's an argument for *closing* it-- then you have free access to it if you need it.
raindance: godspeed folks. I need to go out and get some cash on hand. May we see each other again sooner than later
dorbel: shut up raindance
socksey: thx cp :)
silent: anyone for a one pointer?
Mortsport: all planes were bound for CA, meaning they all had maximum fuel
jasonj: yep
jasonj: genius....
jasonj: evil, super genius.
govert: no fools flew thge flanes... that's for sure...
jasonj: that's true.
govert: and i can't type...
Zorba: note how less than one year GW Bush brought the world in a terrible state
silent: Only the biggest fool could be that evil
pinksharkmark: this is unreal... reads like a Robert Ludlum novel
Zorba: Texas = oil and weapons
coolpaula: you got it Zorba!
Mortsport: they think the Pittsburgh plane was headed for the white house
SallyAW: better the white house than the twin towers.
jasonj: that would have been incredible....
jasonj: just amazing...
pinksharkmark: oh, come on, now. I am certainly no fan of Bush, byt he didn't cause this
SallyAW: the white house is just a symbol, not the offices of 10s of 1000s of people
SallyAW: bush wasn't in DC he was in florida, he wouldn'thave been hurt
jasonj: you don't think the WTC was a symbol?
Zorba: bush lack of action in the middle-east didn't cause it but certainly it plays a role..
pinksharkmark: actually, thousands of people DO work in the White House
Mortsport: this could be retaliation for USA's attack on lraq under the senior Bush's administration
Nashvilleman: Yeah, lack of getting rid of palestinians and Iraq years ago, that lack of action
pinksharkmark: no... timing is wrong. That terrorist in the first WTC bombing was due to be sentenced tomorrow
jag: violence breeds violence
Mooncan: I have had 3 people drop on me 3 times in a row now !
SallyAW: scarey using US commercial flights with lots of fuel.
Nashvilleman: not fully confronting violence breeds violence
govert: I won't drop. game?
pinksharkmark: agreed, Nash. Mad dogs need to be destroyed. Cancers need to be excised.
Zorba: but who's the mad dog
jasonj: mad dog.
pinksharkmark: too many of them, Zorba... that's the problem
Zorba: america also behaves like a mad dog in some countries..
pinksharkmark: Iraq, Palestine, Libya... Afghanistan...
jag: but why are these people so enraged with the us that they'd even contemplate such actions?
dorbel: yes, why?
pinksharkmark: religious fanatics don't need a reason
Tremorchrist: can you believe it, a god !
jag: everyone needs a reason
pinksharkmark: their reason is that America is The Great Satan
dorbel: a r4easonable point of view from som eplaces
Zorba: i think it's got nothing to do with religion, just with america being anti-arabic
CokeBear: There is *no* evidence that the perps are arabs. Remember Oklahoma?
Zorba: yeha but that guy is dead
pinksharkmark: depends which Arabs. America is certainly not anti-Saudi, or anti-Egypt
Mortsport: contempt is a very poor reason, but it is probably the underlying cause
pinksharkmark: this wasn't the act of a lone nutbar, CB. This took planning, and trememndous resources. It was a group of suicidal fanatics... hence religious fanatics
Mortsport: indeed
pinksharkmark: those planes were PILOTED. Kamikaze attacks, in every sense of the word.
Mortsport: middle east without a doubt
jag: but if you don't make the effort to understand what drives such people to such actions you're condemned to repeat
pinksharkmark: of course
CokeBear: It doesn't take much skill to fly a plane into a building. Hard part of flying is taking off and landing.
Zorba: right jag..
CokeBear: Each plane only needed one guy, with one small gun.
govert: flying under the radar....
CokeBear: Kill pilots, crash plane. Very simple plan
pinksharkmark: it takes a lot of planning to successfully hijack several planes simultaneously
Zorba: I wonder what MS-Flightsimulator's role in this whole thing is...
govert: flying off route.....
CokeBear: Blame Microsoft!
govert: hijacking WITHOUT the crew hitting the alarm button...
CokeBear: Shoot both from behind before they know whats going on.
CokeBear: pop pop
CokeBear: all done
govert: AND bust the door before that...
dorbel: its a terrible day for sure, but you cant you "kill the fanatics" guys get it?
Mortsport: bin laden owned aircraft to train kamikaze pilots for such an attack
Zorba: CB seems to have inside info...arrest him
CokeBear: Many pilots leave the door open
dorbel: cant you make the connection?
Tremorchrist: they'll find the black boxes, then we'll know
dorbel: rockets in baghdad?
govert: sure, but this is not a fool's action
CokeBear: Last time I flew, I visited the CP. Said hi to the captain
dorbel: rockets in Belgrade?
dorbel: America is a world terrorist
CokeBear: All you hear on the Black Boxes is "Bang, Bang", then nothing for several minutes, then crash
dorbel: this terrible thing is what follows
Tremorchrist: i bet the kamakhazis say more than that coke
govert: not these...
Zorba: anyway, time for a real president. Is there a way for new elections?
Mooncan: What does it mean when you play an unlimited match ?
Mortsport: no rating points
jag: it never ends, people use it to play for money
CokeBear: Of all the Presedential Candidates of the last 10 years, who would you most like to be running the country right now?
Mortsport: shut up cokebore
dice: Hillary
Zorba: :)
Tremorchrist: goodbye all, PEACE !
Honeygirl_ll: bye tc
suzi: Hi Zorba!
suzi: Hi Mort!
Zorba: I wish there would've been another president BEFORE this happened...
Zorba: hiya suzi! :)
Mortsport: hi suzi
pammie: Why is that
Mortsport: l think saddam has a hand in this
Zorba: bush has done virtually nothing about the situation in the ME
pammie: What does it matter what president is in office
govert: (pammie) he is the spokesperson of the country?
Zorba: israel in war with the palestinians, bush waves from his ranch and talks with his cowsz
pammie: well then you get of your ass and do something
Zorba: the guy is a complete nitwit
pammie: maybe But I don't believe He is going to stand by..
pammie: No one person can stop a war
Zorba: the damage is already done
pammie: all sides have to agree to stop
Zorba: I think buish should realize that you can't be world power #1 without taking your responsibilities WORLDwide
govert: so, HXXXer couldn't stop WW2 if he wanted?
pammie: He started it..
Zorba: well, Staling might have started it a little later...who knows
pammie: He wanted it to happen as with any war
govert: sure
Mortsport: war has been declared against the US. those responsible will be hunted down, hopefully with the help of the world community
jag: Mooncan, petityoda didn't drop on me
Zorba: and colonialism might also be called a world war
jag: but he has left the building
govert: maybe nobody can stop a war, but it is my firm belief that anybody can affect it.
pammie: I agree govert
pammie: unfourtantely wars will happen..
Zorba: yep...especially the head of the world power #1
jag: don't forget, many people think the Wests economic and political behaviour is a form of warfare
CokeBear: There is not a single commercial airplane in flight in the USA right now. This is unprecidented in Aviation history
pammie: but is it an excuse to kill thousands of innocent people
govert: GPL, the OTHER global threat to capitalizm
Zorba: Gnu Public Licesne? lol
pammie: just because I disagree with you about bush doesn't give Me license to go and shoot Zorba
govert: :)
jag: thousands of innocents died in almost every war last century
pammie: yes
Zorba: in the eyes of some other people, the USA also causes thousands of deaths.
pammie: you are right..
pammie: and I hate seeing that in other countries as well.
Zorba: the problem is that US politics <> USA's citizens
pammie: I take it you are not american Zorba
Zorba: right
pammie: what if it was in your country
pammie: it happened to your people
Zorba: my country is not a world power
pammie: innocent
govert: and, also in the eyes of others, the population growth in the US is the planet's largest resource problem...
jag: and the actions of a minority of fanatics <> those of every muslim or whatever
pammie: so
onthego: zorba wears i turbin
mimbing: anyone for 3/5 ptr??
pammie: So it could happen
jag: Sikhs wear turbans
govert: engineers wear turbines
Zorba: this wouldn't happen to a country that;s not a wolrd-power
pammie: Some person that holds a grudge against your country comes in and symatticay bombs each major city in your country
Zorba: so I cant comment on it happening to the NL
pammie: It could happen Zorba
Zorba: this is not about a "grudge" against the USA
Zorba: this is about USA power play
pammie: I don't know how you can be so cold about people dying .. it being a american or a turkish rebel
Zorba: I'm not cold, I'm discussing possible casues
pammie: but you are putting it all on the us though.. granted this country isnt perfect.. what country is.
govert: He isn't
Zorba: how many USA people mourned about the tens of thousands of victims in Iraq after Desert Storm?
Mortsport: ya know it's so easy to blame someone else, but if you do the crime you will pay
pammie: You would be surprised..
Zorba: I dont put it all on the USA. The terrorists are responsible
Zorba: I'm just analyzing USA's role in the world and if it might have something to do with this
govert: hmm. i wonder...
Zorba: :/
Mortsport: if you think the lraqi "population" was innocent in the kuwaiti takeover, you are saddly mistaken
Zorba: most Iraqi soldiers were as "innocent" as US soldiers
pammie: we as humans have responsbility for our actions
Mortsport: if they disagrred with saddams actions, there would of been an overthrow of his regime. and that never happened
govert: which of course goes for Germany as well...
Zorba: like "overtthrowing a regime" is so easy
Mortsport: nobody said it was
Zorba: so your argument doesnt hold then
Mortsport: but the attempt would of been supported
Zorba: even the USA couldnt kill Saddam
Mortsport: oh yes they could of
jag: not when the gov controls the media, the innocent people had no real understanding of the situation
Mortsport: schwartzkopf was that close
Mortsport: he would of had no problem at all
Mortsport: he was right there
Zorba: a whole lot of Iraqi soldiers surrendered.. says it all. Saddam is not supported, he's just a tyran
jag: would you risk your life, the lives of all your friends and family on the offchance that things may be better under a different regime?
Mortsport: Bush cancelled it
govert: whay are we doing? analyzing people's guilt in wars? get a grip...
Mortsport: LOL, they surrendered because they were beaten
Mortsport: who the hell is analizing guilt
Zorba: did the US soldiers in Vietnam do that as well then Mort?
govert: well, I think I was, at least. (trying to get a grip...)
onthego: they r prob dancing in the streets of kabul
pammie: sorry Zobra if I offened you..
Mortsport: guilt is having remorse for something you did wrong
Zorba: thinking Iraqi people are evil and against the USA, is just as stupid as Arabians calling the USA and it's citizens evil
pammie: IT isnt all the people though
pammie: it is the ones that can do those things that are.
Mortsport: zorba, it sounds like you're an lraqi sympathizer
Zorba: then read again mort
Alstrup waves goodbye.
Zorba: people of different countries aren't against each other, it's their leaders
govert: and the leaders play out the people against each other...
Mortsport: the USA is made up of people from different countries
Zorba: right... and sadly, they succeed with 75% of the people
govert: doesn't matter
Zorba: many people like the idea of simplifying the enemy
Zorba: it unites
pammie: to have a belief is one thing but to use that belief to kill people is dead wrong
jag: dehumanisation its such a big word
jag: been around since richard the third
jag: human league
Mortsport: problems stem from other countries that DON'T have freedom for their populations
Zorba: all religions kill(ed) people
Mortsport: people gravitate to the USA to escape this
govert: please, leave the word religion out...
pammie: But it doesn't make it right.
govert: or let's say governmentally supported religion, and I agree, Zorba
jag: problems stem from countries (trying to) impose their viewpoints on other countries
Deer: Hiyas!
Zorba: sounds right jag..
Zorba: hi Deer!
dice: fbi is looking for don
Zorba: lol
Deer: Hey Zorbie :)
Mortsport: is freedom and democracy an imposition?
govert: tricky.
Deer: Im still waiting to hear if 4 relatives who work at WTC are alive
Zorba: how about the war on drugs...
Mortsport: l sincerely hope not
jag: it is if you don't believe democracy is the best form of government
jag: and freedom can be relative
Zorba: i'm sorry deer :(
govert: our heart's are with you, Deer
Deer: we're hopeful.... that they started late.
pammie: and Prayers Hun..
Deer: Ahh this is the the slap in the face to get our attention, I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better
jag: hope you get the good news soon deer
TheIrishman: my sympathies to all in NY and the USA
Deer: Hiya TheIrish :)
TheIrishman: hi deer
pammie: I don't have any family there and can never imagine if I did
Deer: thanks everyone, alot of our prayers go out to everyone, from all countries involved
Zorba: I second that, irishman
govert: amen
govert: what's the latest from the US?
Deer: I heard, 4 planes crashed, 4 still out there somewhere
Zorba: don claims attacks
pammie: I think they are all accounted for now Deer
Deer: ahh okay
pammie: I hope so anyway
Deer: conservative estimate of deaths in NYC is over 10,000
TheIrishman: did the other 4 land or crash?
Deer: I don't know
pammie: well those two buildings along held 50 thousand workers
Deer: that's true, but who knows when they all start their shifts
pammie: not counting the vistors
pammie: there were five planes in all
Deer: average day, estimated people in building... 150.000
pammie: two into the trade center
pammie: one in the Pentagon
Deer: two in WTC, one in Penta, one near Pittsburgh and one???
pammie: and two others that crashed
Deer: ohhhhh :(
pammie: not sure where the other one was
Deer: okay so three unaccounted for, that were of the 8 hijacked this morning
dice: fbi is looking for don
jag: got to go and pick up gf from Heathrow, strangely her flight from nice was delayed
pammie: they said there was 8.. I missed that
Deer: Jag, thank god huh?
dice: fbi looking for nihi
Mortsport: dice, get a life
pammie: Well going to go and watch alittle more..
Deer: eek SHARK!!!
Zorba: cia looking for dice
Deer: pammie, let us know what's up?
pinksharkmark: oh, no! A scary deer!
pammie: Zorba am really sorry if I did offend You..
jag: best wishes to everyone
jag waves goodbye.
Deer: you too jag :)
govert: MI5 looking for Zorba
Zorba: you didn't pammie :) I'm not even sure what you're talkling about act. :-)
Zorba: KGB looking for new personnel
govert: and he scores.
Zorba: well...whatever happens...digestion goes on..time to fill the stomach, bye
Zorba waves goodbye.
govert: bye
Zorba: bye govert
Deer: Bye Zorba!
Mortsport: in Moscow, President Vladimir Putin sent a telegram to U.S. President George W. Bush. "Dear
CokeBear: "Dear...
CokeBear: ?
rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!
rolfmuller: BG for worldpeace!!!!!
LarryFerrier: Boy, that's hilarious
rolfmuller: no more war!!!
Mortsport: war has already been waged against american civilians
Mortsport: sadly
rolfmuller: sure, and I'm feeling very sad about it
rolfmuller: but striking back will not bring back lives
Roll_N: It may save future lives
LarryFerrier: too bad one of those airliners didn't hit your house, rolf
Mortsport: but it could save lives in the future, by saying this WILL NOT be tolerated
TheIrishman: bbc are saying 4 planes - abc and cnn saying 8 - who is right?
Mortsport: 4
TheIrishman: k
rolfmuller: force were never a permanent solution
Mortsport: 2 at wtc, 1 at pentagon, and last 1 crashed in pittsburgh, presumably headed for the white house
rolfmuller: I repeat, I'm feeling very sad about all the lives that have been taken away by this way...
LarryFerrier: rolf,if the airliner had killed your family, i'll bet you wouldn't be talking out of your ass
Mortsport: easy now
SallyAW: freaky using commercial planes for this...
CokeBear: Iraq
LarryFerrier: Canada
SallyAW: canada?
LarryFerrier: they are jealous
rolfmuller: I'm against violence at all
Mortsport: indeed
Roll_N: I have a feeling someone is gonna find out that when you pull the dogs tail you usually get bit
SallyAW: Blame canada
rolfmuller: even if it would have killed me familiy
Mortsport: heaven forbid, enough is enough
rolfmuller: no live taken away would bring back a family member
rolfmuller: with violence
SallyAW: gg
Roll_N: so what are you saying, whoever is responsible should get a time out ?
mimbing: 3/5 ptr ???
LarryFerrier: lol, RollN
LarryFerrier: bad, bad, boys...you hijacked airliners
rolfmuller: what I'm saying is, that this shit in the far east needs a permant a definit solution, no more victims for both side!!!!!
LarryFerrier: thanks, rolf...go back to sleep now
SallyAW: how do you stop all this racial and religious zealousness
SallyAW: on both sides,
Mortsport: you don't see religious strife in the US, therefore it is somewhat hard to comprehend
LarryFerrier: somewhat?
rolfmuller: I'm from switzerland, but I'm living in a country, where you find an arabian, a jude, a budist, a catolic, a black and a white person lives in the same building and everybody tolerates each other and each others ideas and reliogions
Patrice_France: Looks more like Wako or Oklahoma city than religious war !
LarryFerrier: huh?
TheIrishman: I agree Patrice
rolfmuller: we need god, and not religion, when a religion use force, the primar rule is not compreended: love
LarryFerrier: last time I checked, there are explosions in religious wars
rolfmuller: don't mind wich religion
Mortsport: l think they will find this to be an islamic attack
Patrice_France: Too technologic, looks like a sect or a KKK's act.
LarryFerrier: hey, rolf the genius, why don't you try to explain your theory to these nuts
mimbing: anyone for a 3-5 ptr???
SallyAW: the religious leaders are not going to give up their power
SallyAW: you can never stop people for hating.
SallyAW: from hating. people will always hate and kill
Patrice_France: America fighting america ?
Mortsport: seems to me islams think their religion is the only religion that counts in this world
LarryFerrier: Patrice, are you high?
grillbill: all religions do that mort
grillbill: at some point in their development
Mortsport: yet, if they are the ones responsible, they have no respect for human life
Patrice_France: Only1493.11
Mortsport: not all grillbill
LarryFerrier: those Buddhists love blowing shit up
grillbill: oh? I think so.. christianity did it once
grillbill: remember the crusades?
Mortsport: and then we evolve
rolfmuller: see? god instead of religion is the only solution....look at Belfast, both side are crazy!!!
grillbill: it's part of an evolution only problem is they are evolving in a climate of automtic weapons and mass terrorism
Mortsport: yes
rolfmuller: that's why I say, that war is not the solution, grillbill, they are fanatic and won't hesitate to make use from this weapons
rolfmuller: they have less to loose than we
LarryFerrier: so we should sit back and take it, eh, rolfy?
rolfmuller: they belive, that they are going to paradise, if they die in a war or in an act of terrorism
Mortsport: the world will change it's views on terrorism after today and sweeping worldwide changes will be felt
rolfmuller: Larry, do you have family, right?
grillbill: could forse the american hand in terms of counter terrorism around the world though
LarryFerrier: answer my question first, rolfy
rolfmuller: do you think, that if one more member of your family is dying in war, you gonna be happier? even if he hits 10 arabians first?
LarryFerrier: answer my question first
rolfmuller: I did
rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!
LarryFerrier: no you didn't
rolfmuller: violence is not a defintiv solution
rolfmuller: american soldier did die in Irak too....
LarryFerrier: and?
rolfmuller: there is no winner in a war
LarryFerrier: is Iraq as much of a threat?
rolfmuller: if you loose a child in a war, there is no reason that makes it good for it
LarryFerrier: you ignore human nature
rolfmuller: sorry, I didn't understand
Roll_N: I think alot of people would consider that there was a winner in World War 2... for the good of all humanity
Roll_N: and WW1
rolfmuller: ok, but how many loser did you had? see the pictures of holocaust
grillbill: 'blessed are the victors for they shall be called peacemakers'
LarryFerrier: you can't let fanatics skip and dance around the world
jasonj: blessed are the pacemakers
LarryFerrier: gerry and the pacemakers?
Mortsport: war doesn't determine who's right, war determines who's left. and freedom and democracy will ALWAYS prevail
rolfmuller: I agree, but you won't teach them with force
LarryFerrier: oh, ok, rolfy, let's teach them with candy and dog biscuits
Mortsport: let's remember this is a terrorist act
LarryFerrier: sit...roll over...
Mortsport: a cowardly terrorist act
grillbill: hopefully america will act on it
LarryFerrier: bad doggy
Mortsport: the world will act on it
rolfmuller: yes it was covard
LarryFerrier: look up the word "ignorant" in your dictionary, rolfy
rolfmuller: all the nations need to be together in this moment and punish who needs to be punished
simpsons: agree
LarryFerrier: how should we punish them? how about tickling?
grillbill: eyes are being opened as to america's role in the world
simpsons: A-bomb
LarryFerrier: how should we punish them, rolf?
Mortsport: l don't think the abomb will ever be used again
jasonj: I think it will be used tonight.
LarryFerrier: maybe you should look up "Ignorant" as well, Mort
LarryFerrier: pull your head out of the sand
Mortsport: so what are YOU saying Larry?
LarryFerrier: we're lucky they didn't use nukes instead of airliners, genius
LarryFerrier: you think they nutcases won't figure it out?
LarryFerrier: these
rolfmuller: sorry, got desconnected
rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!
LarryFerrier: that's ok rolf...we didn't miss you
rolfmuller: ok, sorry, for having another opinion
grillbill: what's ur opinion rolf?
rolfmuller: about? I was desconnected
grillbill: about all of this
LarryFerrier: so how should these psychos be punished?
rolfmuller: I think it's crazy, what they have done
LarryFerrier: sooooooooo....?
LarryFerrier: how should they be punished?
rolfmuller: and I think it's crazy to start a war
LarryFerrier: answer the question
vegasvic: Fu them
vegasvic: take them out
vegasvic: sandam
vegasvic: ben laden
Mortsport: the war has already been started
vegasvic: take them out
grillbill: hmm
jasonj: Uncle Ben Laden's Converted Rice
vegasvic: i live in the village
vegasvic: when you see it live
vegasvic: coming down
LarryFerrier: rolf,answer the question
vegasvic: you get the idea
vegasvic: of the lives in there
TheIrishman: hi peachy
peachy: Hi there Irishman!!! :^) Good Evening!!! :^)
peachy: Hey there Mortsport!! :^)
rolfmuller: the first question to answer is: punish who? till this moment, nobody have taken the responsabilities
rolfmuller: all arabians?
LarryFerrier: you are useless
rolfmuller: afganistan?
Mortsport: this is easily the most single catastrophic act of violence against the US in it's history
vegasvic: ben laden has
Mortsport: hi peachy
vegasvic: for 3 weeks he has been saying it
peachy: I agree mortsport!!!
vegasvic: and we here in new york were going too sentance his guys
vegasvic: for the first trade boming
LarryFerrier: okay, rolfy...let's say they fgure out exactly who did it
rolfmuller: maybe I am, but tell who do you want to punish, larry?
vegasvic: so one doesnt have to look far
Mortsport: 2400 died in pearl harbor, this will far surpass that
LarryFerrier: how should they be punished?
vegasvic: 10000 in one of thoes building
Mortsport: 266 died in the plane crashes
vegasvic: look i live here
grillbill: they worked out in the 93 bombing that it took people about 3 hours to get out.. they didn't get that much time this time
peachy: I dare say the estimates are very low at this point...
vegasvic: its 1/4 of a mile from my house
vegasvic: there were 1000's
grillbill: some may not have realised what was going on for a while
vegasvic: coming out
vegasvic: and 1000's trying to help
vegasvic: and the buildiigs came down
grillbill: they employ 50,000 there with 90,000 visitors
LarryFerrier: Rolfy, you have no answer
vegasvic: you look at oklahoma
peachy: Hi there jason!!! :^)
jasonj: Yo, Peachy....
vegasvic: and see that
vegasvic: take it up a notch
vegasvic: not pearl arbor nothing is close
vegasvic: to this one
vegasvic: when its over
rolfmuller: I never said, that I have the answers, larry
BennyTheDip: any news on these other planes in the air????????
peachy: no - it is soooo sad vegasvic...
LarryFerrier: you also have no spine
vegasvic: we have f16 in arond manhattan
rolfmuller: but I DO know, that violence makes grow more violence
vegasvic: i was looking up knowing no planes were in the air
vegasvic: but its f15 and 16 flying
Mortsport: there is NO inbetween on this
rolfmuller: spine? don't understand
jasonj: amazing that you have electric and all, vegasvic
vegasvic: moselms
vegasvic: belive in
phs: veg - where are you?
vegasvic: eye for and eye
vegasvic: they cut of the hand that steals
vegasvic: now time
peachy: Hey there phs - good to see you here this afternoon!!! :^)
phs: anyone on fibs in lower manhattan?
vegasvic: i live in lower manhaten in the village west sdie
vegasvic: i am 1/4 of a mile up from the towers
vegasvic: i bike next to it every day along the river
phs: wow - are you gibing us news reports?
vegasvic: to see them com edown
vegasvic: like it did
phs: you saw it?
BennyTheDip: gibing is an unforntunate mistake
vegasvic: all you could do is sit on the side walk and cry
leda: must be awfull
vegasvic: just the humanity
phs: oh - I've made much worse mistakes :) gibing is... mild
BennyTheDip: fair enough phs
vegasvic: brb
grillbill: don't rush
rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!
grillbill: irony was that the mayor's disaster centre was based on the 56th floor of one of the towers
Repugnist: I don't have adequate words to describe the horror i feel at your tradgedy. I'm 3000 miles away in England - my partner is in tears. GL to all- especiallty NY'kers. May we keep this community free from prejudice and blame. it,s these new communitys that may strike a new better world order.
peachy: Nicely said Repugnist!!! thanks :^)
rolfmuller: Good luck from Rio de Janeiro!
phs: lewscannon - tell us about NYC now
lewscannon: we're kinda stunned
peachy: Hi there lews :^) Good to see you!!!
lewscannon: hi peachy
lewscannon: everyone's stocked up on food and water
lewscannon: you expect to see this kind of stuff in a schwartzenegger movie, not in real life
phs: did you see anything?
peachy: True - so true lews!!!
lewscannon: i'm too far uptown, but my wife saw the towers collapse from her office
Steve_Carey: they dont even want to play football this next weekend :(
peachy: WOW - that's closer than I would want to be lews...
lewscannon: she's midtown. you couldn't miss it from any high building
peachy: Hi there socksey!!!
phs: what do people think the USA will do now?
peachy: there are so many things to do phs....
lewscannon: i think george bush is going to try to attack new zealand
phs: lol lews - astute politacl analysis :)
lewscannon: he's pretty sure that it's next to belgium
Steve_Carey: what sucks is 10s of thousands of americans died in a cowardly senseless act of desperation
javiator: and we see it all fold out live on TV -startling..
peachy: True - so true Steve...
HomerJ waves goodbye.
Aveboo: Greetings and support to the people of the USA... God bless you !
Aveboo: and hi to all.
CokeBear: God? Fuck God! Religion is what causes crap like this! Damn religious fanatics!
peachy: Thanks Aveboo!! :^)
Repugnist: true CB - but don't dismiss the sentiment
phs: where are you Aveboo?
Aveboo: I agree too, but some pax believe in it and its a relief for them, so fuck u!
Aveboo: Belgium, Brussels
phs: well - thank you for your sentiments :)
CokeBear: The world would be a whole lot better off if there were no religion
gba: second that
peachy: Cokebear - for once -- please just drop it for now!!!!!!
javiator: say rather the world would be a better place without hate --TOLERANCE!
Repugnist: hear hear j
socksey: hugs for everyone
Repugnist: f*** hugs for everyone - i'm not THAT tolerant!
peachy: hehe - well I appreciated that socksey
CokeBear: No hugs for Osama bin Laden. He can eat USian Nuke now.
aki: one pointe anyone?
aki: hi alkan
lea: Who wants to play?
lea: I want to play!
lea: Hello everyone!
lea: Bye everyone!
lea: It's very quiet here.
socksey: lea you are refusing games
Aveboo: we r looking at u...
CokeBear: Its very quiet everywhere in the world today
Aveboo: not in the US, actualy...
peachy: depends on where in the US you are....
Aveboo: correct!
pixe: not quiet here .. they just said on the local radio dont bother going to the grocery store the shelves are empty .. people are panicing
CokeBear: oh shit...
CokeBear: so it begins...
peachy: Where are ya pixe???
pixe: NJ .. about 45 mins from NYC
peachy: OK- here it is not like that - but I'm over 500 miles from NYC (but still in NY)
aki: only ten minutes by plane pixie! ;-)
lea: Hello everyone!
lea: It's very quiet here.
pixe: thank you aki .. :-P
CokeBear: Interesting: Secret Service wants to keep Bush in Nebraska, Political aides want him back in the White House
rpo: i think the plane that went down in PA was destined for the white house...
peachy: I think it's more typical than interesting Cokebear - since when does teh gov't agree??
silent: Bush caused the war I think with all his talk of nuclear superiority
aki: coke, i want him back in texas!
GreekPJ: Bush is great!
GreekPJ: Clinton is the cause of all this
Mikey: silent, that is 100% crap
silent: Prepare for war and you get it. Bush brought it on
silent: I guess now he will have to work instead of loafing around
aki: war against whom?
Mikey: if you were in touch with reality . . .
Aveboo: Bush must be thinking; "shit! why izit all hapening to me..."
peachy: My condolences to all affected by this... bye bye
Aveboo: bye peach
silent: The poor families
socksey: ciao peach
aki: god shave the queen
silent: join _kef
_kef: god bless to all
lewscannon: apparently the plane that went down in pa was destined for camp david, bush's summer home
aki: in which state is camp david?
lewscannon: maryland
endellRio waves goodbye.
aki: hmm, then osama gave him wrong instructions?
aki: pa is way off maryland..
javiator: i heard all planes were bound for california ie: fully fueled
TheIrishman: hi
Aveboo: Osaman aimed at symbols...
aki: osama killed the artist formely known as prince? ;-)
Aveboo: I bet he didnt even expect the towers to collapse...
Streetgang: someone 3/5/7
FordPrefect: my heartfelt condolences to all american players, i hope nobody of you had casualties
lewscannon: thx, ford
HunnyB: hi Lews!!
alkan: who is up for a 5
lewscannon: hi hun
TheIrishman: gg
lewscannon: it's gonna be so strange to see the manhattan skyline without those towers
Scorpion_: 3?
tom: any New Yorkeans here? I 'D like to express my deepest pity
lewscannon: thx, tom
Steve_Carey: thought maybe Iraq might be behind the incidents
tom: I dont hear anything about the crasj crash in Pennsylvania .. did the air force shoot this plane?
Mortsport: no
Mortsport: chances are the crew thwarted the attempt
TheIrishman: cbs are reporting 2 other crashes - does anyone know where these were - or if confirmed
Steve_Carey: the Pentigon
tom: lews why did it take so long to get a statement from the President?
TheIrishman: in addition to pentagon and wtc 2
Scorpion_: someone had to write his speech
raindance: nbc is reporting Usama Bin Laden is the culprit
maria: I am not a violent person, but I hope whoever is responsible for this atrocities suffers and burns in hell for eternity.
fond: countries feeding terrorists many ways... one `s terrorist being freedom fighter for others... what happened today was the biggest in world terror history. and i believe this was an attack to humanity.
fond: and many countries were supporting this till now. so everyone is responsable for that. i am so sorry for a
fond: all
Johnm: would some one like a game
raindance: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Steve_Carey: scary thing is it may not be over with
cc_drug: Did all of you not go in to work today?
lapin: game anyone ?
raindance: in one way or another it won't be; we'll either hunt him down or go to war to get him
lapin: has there been some news about who ?
Steve_Carey: God only knows whats next how much more are we americansd going to be subjected to
raindance: nbc reports Bin Laden
lapin: nbc ?
lapin: doesn't sound authoritative
tom: be he officially declined
Dutchie: hi (again) all!
nilla: Hi Dutchie :))
bluebeard: Duchie! is your gf ok?
cc_drug: Is it true they suspect LA to be next?
raindance: lapin, yes, it sounds authoratative
Dutchie: yep, bluebeard... got a phone call from her around 1pm edt... she was on the 13th floor, instead of in her office, at the 53rd...
lapin: news channels like to do that - don't trust them
bluebeard: that's a relief
Dutchie: yep, bluebeard, it is... i am still very down though... and worried about a few other friends and acquaintances of mine, that work(ed) there...
raindance: lapin, no, this wasn't your typical
lapin: i guess we find out soon enough
raindance: yes, in fact they've been holding out, but that's the word on the new service wires
suzi: Jane!!!!!!!!!
jane_t: suzi long time no see how r u ????
Steve_Carey: Congress is to get together on the steps of the capitol building to express their support for the president
raindance: support of America
lapin: i appreciate the act happened in the USA
lapin: but this affects ALL of us now
raindance: I have this tremendous sense that he (if it's him) will not live long, nor have freedom long
Johnm: anyone for 3 point pls
Steve_Carey: a news conference at 7:00pmEDT and holding a session of congress tomorrow to pass support measures perhaps war
cc_drug: any word on the other two stray planes?????
raindance: Steve, where are you hearing that information?
Steve_Carey: CBS news
Biggles: a sad day.......
Biggles: I hope Cokebear is finally happy.....he finally got what he's been asking for.....
socksey: what do you mean biggles?
Bob: 1/3/5/7/9 pointer please
Biggles: all Cokebear has done since day 1 is attack America, and tell us we were going to get it from Ben Laden.......so I hope he's now finally happy
Mortsport: cokebores already used up his inane comment allotment for the day
Biggles: what's his take Mort.....probably "I told ya so".....
Mortsport: no
Mortsport: just stupid insensitive remarks
socksey: cokebear would never wish us this
Biggles: right.......he's the biggest jerk I've ever heard......
Mortsport: but he did say bin laden should eat the nuke
Biggles: he did? why would he want his biggest buddy to take a fall?
raindance: here's a link to fbi's page on bin laden
raindance: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
socksey: be kind to your enemies......it will blow their minds :)
Mortsport: l've heard support here from all countries, except for cokebore
Dutchie: i have to admit one thing about cokebear... when he heard that my gf was in there, he was one of the first to wish me strength...
Biggles: your gf might have died?
raindance: indeed, socksey, the kindest thing to do is to take out bin laden, many human lives will be saved that way
socksey: see......saying things here in defense of oneself means nothing when the chips are down
Mortsport: Afghanistan is hiding bin laden
Biggles: Dutchie....what's the story on your gf?
Dutchie: she got out, Biggles... i heard from her at about 1pm EDT... but those four hours waiting were the hardest hours of my life!
Mortsport: another building did collapse
Biggles: thank god.....im glad for you
Dutchie: thanks Biggles!
Mortsport: building 7 next to the wtc
raindance: Godspeed to you Dutchie
Dutchie: thx!
Mortsport: still another couple buildings in danger of collapsing
Biggles: they just showed the 3rd building collapsing
raindance: it's horrifying to think of, but the death toll may be in the tens of thousands
Mortsport: it's amazing the topple effect didn't take down more
Mortsport: but it's like both wtc buildings imploded
StoneTiger: i don't think those things have the structural integrety to go down in one peice after you knock out a significant hole
Biggles: did you just see that last video?
Mortsport: l've sen it all, what a nightmare
StoneTiger: sorry, no tv here
bluebeard: StoneTiger: apparently it was the subsequent fire that waekened the structures
HumanIAm: 5 pt match anyone?
Johnm: johnm will
Soldier: anyone for 5??
StoneTiger: sounds plausible, I'm not a civil engineer or anything
Mortsport: there are palastinian celebrations going on
raindance: nbc now says new information leads US officials to be 90% sure Bin Laden is behind all of this
JCoyne: whichever country is harboring bin laden pays the price
aki: the same officials who did not know anything just hours agol....
JCoyne: a very LARGE price
javiator: hes in New Zealand..
HumanIAm: the 'large price' is the same as the reason we have these attacks in the first place
suzi waves goodbye.
peachy: Hoi Dutchie!! :^)
aki: javietor, no he is in norfolk
peachy: Hi again Mortsport!! :^)
Dutchie: hi peachy! :)
aki: he runs fish and chips shop there
peachy: Hi ya JC :^)
javiator: Kings Lynn?
JCoyne: hey peachy
peachy: Hi again socksey!! :^)
peachy: Hey there Irishman!!! :^)
TheIrishman: hi peachy
oldovercoat: raindance, are you there?
CokeBear: People are thinking this was some big, expensive operation, but it might have only been 4 people: one on each plane, with a gun, or even a knife
HumanIAm: what difference does that make, Cokebear?
oldovercoat: how does one man with a knife hold 90 people + crew hostage and force them to crash a plane? no way
CokeBear: USA is planning to seek revenge, but the perps are already dead.
CokeBear: (You've never been a hostage, have you?)
HumanIAm: the US will kill lots and lots of people in REVENGE - just like always - nothing changes - dead is dead and makes more dead
oldovercoat: 97:1 ? c'mon
CokeBear: Once the terrorist kills one person, everyone is thinking "That could have been me"
pRICK: U.S. should stop supporting the Isreali terrorists
mdreier: US should stop _training_ Bin-Ladens
pRICK: and Sharons
javiator: the palestinians celebrating is a very disturbing site... but I sympathise -they have to put up with American helicopters and jets blowing up thier buildings and people...
pRICK: yup
HumanIAm: indoctrination happens on all sides - no real differences there
pRICK: bulldozers destroying their homes
pRICK: except they are usually the ones dying
raindance: Arafat condemned it
Mortsport: hey prick, don't you ever think they bring it on themselves
pRICK: right
Dutchie: bonjour Eve!!! :)
TheIrishman: bon soir maman
maman_Eve: bonjour Dutchie
maman_Eve: bonsoir irishman
Dutchie: i was doubting whether or not to put "bon" in there...
javiator: would you msay the same of Americans??
Mortsport: the rest of the world is trying to become civilized, what the hell is their problem?
Yosemite_Sam: not very good today
pRICK: they should just give up their own land and country so the Isrealis can live in peace
mdreier: they are being bomberd into the stone ages - that is thir problem
CokeBear: USA is attacking Afganistan!
pRICK: why don't they jump in the ocean, Mortsport?
Yosemite_Sam: where do you come from pRick
Mortsport: the have been at war for THOUSANDS of years. what in gods name is their problem?????????
fatboyandy: What can i say about the news? I fear for peace everywhere
pRICK: chicago
Yosemite_Sam: why are trying to justify what happened?
HumanIAm: gotta go
HumanIAm: thanks
mdreier: Wow - the US is bombing Kabul
pRICK: their problem, Mortsport, is that the Isrealis have stolen their land - this has only been happening this century
fond: what?!!
Mortsport: where do you see this mdreier?
mdreier: cnn
fatboyandy: is there a source on that ?
Yosemite_Sam: who said that?
maman_Eve: this is a terribly sad day for everyone
Mortsport: the problem is prick, that they have been warring over land for THOUSANDS of years
fatboyandy: very scary
Danica: very traggic day for americans
maman_Eve: for the whole human race
lewscannon: i can't conceive of the cowardice of this action
Yosemite_Sam: The british are the ones that orginally stole it not the israelies
fond: for all of us
CokeBear: Not just the human race, but everyone. (I don't consider terrorists to be human)
Yosemite_Sam: Just heard it on our local CNN radio station.
raindance: it's live on cnn tv
NewOrder: breaking news: Kabul is burning in flames
Mortsport: terrorists will fry in hell
Tygger: Hello Eve, Socksey...
maman_Eve: hello Tygger!
Danica: we are all sad today
Yosemite_Sam: Are we doing it or is somebody else doing it
fond: MS u mean all afgans?
NewOrder: cruise missiles
Yosemite_Sam: Are you sure?
Mortsport: fuel dump is on fire
NewOrder: watch cnn, live covergae via video phone
mdreier: someone is dropping _big_ missiles on Kabul
mdreier: Is it sheriff bush?
NewOrder: Kabul is toast
Yosemite_Sam: could e local stuff, we gave the mjadeen
Mortsport: fuel dump by kabul airport is in flames
Tygger: Hi Peachy...
Dutchie: wb peachy! :)
peachy: Hi there Eve!! :^)
peachy: Hello Tygger!!! :^)
raindance: hey mdreier, you tell me, you think we've , NOT BUSH, We've got a right to take care of ourselves?
peachy: Thanks Dutchie!!! :^)
Tygger: Fu!
peachy: Hi everyone (again :^)
CokeBear: Bomb the fuck out of the Taliban, Palestinians, and Saddam
CokeBear: Nuke the bastards
Shadowsans: apparently attacks on afghanistan are taking place.
raindance: not apparently, it is live on CNN
CokeBear: CNN doesn't know if its USA doing the bombing
peachy: Hi there fu :^)
Dutchie: goed gespeeld! gefeliciteerd!
fatboyandy: who else would?
raindance: Correct, all cnn is doing is showing coverage of what they see
Mortsport: could be russia doing the bombing
Soldier: I suspect russia too
Johnm: anyone like a 3-5-7 pointer
Mortsport: Russian President Vladimir Putin also sent a telegram to Bush. "Dear George," he wrote, "such an inhuman act must not go unpunished."
fond: reuters sez attacks r not from US
Tygger waves goodbye.
maman_Eve: bye Tygger
peachy: bye bye Tygger
Tygger: Bye all
Dutchie: hi CP! :)
CutiePieII: Hi Dutchie....its a sad, scary day in the USA, especially the east coast
Dutchie: i know all about it...
Dutchie: my gf worked in one of the twin towers...
CutiePieII: oh myyyy is she okay
Dutchie: yeah... she was able to call me at about 1pm edt...
CutiePieII: very good.......... It looks like a war zone in NYC
Dutchie: i know... am watching tv here all the time...
CutiePieII: I feel sorry for the group that was responsible
CutiePieII: or is
Mortsport: why
CutiePieII: okay sorry is the wrong word
CutiePieII: hatred might be a better word?
Mortsport: retribution is a better word
CutiePieII: yes, retribution
jarman: I think the retribution is already starting
Tatwo: ok jane
CutiePieII: it might be too soon for that
Johnm: anyone want a 3 pointer
CutiePieII: you mean in Afganistan
jarman: why do you say that ?
Mortsport: l hope retribution will be worldwide
Tatwo: is it certain that it is america bombing Kabul??
Mortsport: no
CutiePieII: No its not certain
Dutchie: US government denies it's them...
Mortsport: they think it could be internal
Danica: no its not certain
CutiePieII: they would have to be more certain before they retalate
socksey: hi eve......& cutie! :)
CutiePieII: Hi socksey
fatboyandy: random retribution will just cause more hatred
jasonj: I sure hope that's not what's going on
CutiePieII: what do you expect us to do jason?
javiator: US will lose much sympathy with a typical clumbsy response
fatboyandy: start thinking
skunk_brand: its ass kicking time
jasonj: let calm heads prevail....
jasonj: whose ass do we kick?
jasonj: do we just start swinging at everyone??
CutiePieII: where are you from jason
CutiePieII: Of course not, we're not stupid
jasonj: I'm from a place called the United States
Mortsport: the US only needs sympathy for victims of this attack
trixie: ouch! i've had the news on in my cafe since 645 am i think i'll escape and play a game and here it is again!!!!
AdfinaTheGart: OMG!
jasonj: people are lining up for gasoline here....
jasonj: and the prices are rising....
jasonj: two great tastes that taste great together
CutiePieII: where are you jason?
CutiePieII: East coast?
jasonj: I'm in Michigan
CutiePieII: Delaware here
trixie: i'm 10 miles from los alamos labratories in new mexico and there's this horrid rumor it may be a target and everyone's fleeing!
jasonj: run for the gas station....
jasonj: go soon!!
jasonj: the prices are rising...
jasonj: (mmmmm.... paranoia....)
Dutchie: wb CP :)
peachy: Hi three Cutie!!! :^)
CutiePieII: Hi peachy
Mortsport: opec has stated they will not reduce the flow of oil here
peachy: Good!!!
peachy: Mort - where are you??? what state?
trixie: do you believe them?
Mortsport: minnesota
inthecan: senator mccain has said it is the us
Mortsport: what is the US?
inthecan: bombing in afghanistan
peachy: Ahhh - lots of beautiful lakes there Mort :^)
Mortsport: wolf blitzer just said it wasn't
Mortsport: sure is peachy :)
Mortsport: 12k of them
Mortsport: it's like a nightmare every time l see that 2nd plane hit
trixie: i watched it live
zwansus: anyone seen images from kabul?
trixie: i have all over the news
Danica: yes it looks like war in Kabul I saw it on cnn live
Mortsport: they're saying it's part of their civil war
zwansus: I think so too
Danica: well see,,,,what is really going on later
zwansus: it would be too stupid for the US
Tatwo: ah Rumsfeld just said its not america bombing kabul
zwansus: who's american inhere?
CutiePieII: ME
trixie: american here
Danica: me
peachy: me :^)
CutiePieII: and?
socksey: me! god bless america
peachy: why???
Tatwo: me not , but my thought are with you
TheIrishman: same here
zwansus: just for knowing
Danica: thx Tatwo
peachy: Thanks TaTwo :^)
peachy: and thanks Irishman!! :^)
CutiePieII: thanks Tatwo
CutiePieII: and Irishman
AdfinaTheGart: NYC here!
fuseman: - yeah - no politics but we in the UK are thinking of all the people affected .
Danica: thx irishman
Dutchie: gonna try once again, to catch some sleep... i hope i can now...
CutiePieII: Always the common people think of the common people....the higher ups don't
Tatwo: Dutch???
Dutchie: nite all!
zwansus: slaapwel dutchie
peachy: G'night dutchie!! Sweet Dreams!! :^)
Dutchie: yep, Tatwo?
Tatwo: al enig bericht???\
AdfinaTheGart: is is the scarriest day of my life!
peachy: Thanks fuseman!! :^)
Dutchie: mijn vriendin? die heeft me om ongeveer 7 uur gebeld... is er - gelukkig- uitgekomen...
Tatwo: pfffffffffffff
Tatwo: god man
Dutchie: yep!
CutiePieII: sleep tight dutchie
Dutchie: the ergste 4 uren van mijn leven!
peachy: Welterustin Dutchie!! :^)
Dutchie waves goodbye.
zwansus: good rusting dutch
jvietor: narly
peachy: Good Afternoon jv :^)
CutiePieII: and now I'll never get in until you're completely in and sage
CutiePieII: safe
zwansus: wijs
jvietor: hi peachy, i hope youre not in manhattan
peachy: no - 500 miles up from manhattan
zwansus: wijs
peachy: still NY though
peachy: lewscannon is - but he is OK :^)
TheIrishman: many fibsters are
TheIrishman: eastvillager?
jvietor: 7 buildings surrounding the wtc also collapsed.
peachy: not sure
peachy: it is incredulous! and horrific!
heymark: not 7blgs but the #7 bldg
Mortsport: correct
zwansus: only one then?
Mortsport: 3 buildings collapsed so far
socksey: cityguy!!!!!! :)
peachy: Hi there cityguy!! :^)
CutiePieII: ahhh socksey
cityguy: peachy!!
heymark: the wtc is a cluster of many bldgs...if im not mistaken, i think the 93 attack was under the 7blg in the pkg garage
jvietor: ok, my maid didnt understand that part when she told me. i hope people were evacuated from bldg #7
cityguy: and my long lost love socksey LL
Mortsport: jv, is there anything else you want to flaunt while you're at it?
peachy: Apparently Dennis Hastert was just moved to whereabouts unknown...
heymark: whos that?
peachy: speaker of the house -- 3rd in line
jvietor: i believe airport security has been irrevocably breached.
jvietor: thge people who clean the planes and the baggage handflers will be questioned.
Mortsport: airport security is a shambles worldwide
Tatwo: it is Mortsport
mdreier: 3-pointer, anyone?
Mortsport: plainclothed security experts have passed through undetected all over
Tatwo: ist not sloppy but its to much routine , all the thousand travellers on one day
Mortsport: rebels claim responsibility for kabul attack
jvietor: it would be way too soon for the u.s. to respond since we havent determined the culprit.
Mortsport: mariot hotel is on the verge of collapse
jvietor: it will be like the domino principle in manhattan. all those high buildings are too closely stacked.
jvietor: its as if the carpet was pulled from under the sidewalk
JPL: armand seems to be a droper be forwarned I had 1 roll to go :-)
Mortsport: must be a palestinian
NewOrder: so is CIA tapping FIBS for possible intelligent clues?
Mortsport: no, spongebob hasn't been here for awhile
Danica: lol......thats a good one
NewOrder: spongebob was always suspicious of this thing
autumn: NIHI hasn't been around for awhile either
NewOrder: NIHI crashed into the twin towerts
Mortsport: he's selling saturns today
autumn: he must hav to work all the time these days!
NewOrder: how do you hijiack an airplane with just a knife
Mortsport: you don't
grillbill: did they only have knives?
Mortsport: doubtful
autumn: they probably killed the pilots before they did their deed
Mortsport: they would have to instantly kill 2 pilots
Mortsport: hard to do with a knife unless you're OJ
autumn: the pilots probably didn't know their intention
Mortsport: l think the pittsburgh flight was thwarted by the crew
NewOrder: how about a fork
mdreier: hey - remember that some of Bin Laden's men are US trained...isn't knifes a SEAL speciality?
autumn: you might be right mort
grillbill: knives are a speciality of all special forces
Mortsport: the black box from the pitt flight will be the 1st clues
NewOrder: Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef of Afghanistan: We want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain.
Viper: My condolances to America
Viper: Very sad
nilla: night all....all of you from US have my thoughts
autumn: thanks nilla
NewOrder: come back nilla, I need some personal attention this evening
autumn: thanks viper
JPL: is that true over 10,000 dead?
Mortsport: probably more
JPL: :-)
nilla waves goodbye.
NewOrder: probably a few hundred
jvietor: at the very least forty thousand
grillbill: definitly in the 1000s
Mortsport: 266 died in the plane crashes alone
jvietor: not including those crushed by falling debris
heymark: i think 40k is way high...the wtc didnt have full capacity...it was early before most peeps got there
NewOrder: now, who is gonna pay for the twin towers to be rebuild?
JPL: it seems the crew fought the high jacking in the PA crash...any comments?
Mortsport: l would guess that to be true jpl
Mortsport: they figure that flight was headed to the white house
heymark: the wtc probaly wont be rebuilt any time sooon...the bldg in oklahoma never got rebuilt
NewOrder: I just hope they don't do biological weapons
Mortsport: a memorial will probably go in place there
NewOrder: I met this girl today she said she was supposed to be on one of the flights that got hijacked but last night she was stopped for a DUI driving violation and couldn't make the flight this morning
Mortsport: what kind of justice is appropriate for this???
Viper: Death
grillbill: rough justice
JPL: Reagan had the right idea
Draco: he had ideas?
mdreier: yeah - Reagan supported both Bin Laden and Saddam... :)
jvietor: for those who never read Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders", the monkeys with ebola virus were used to fill aeresol cans and sent to convention centers around the country while the crippled pentagon was decimated by a japan airliner .e
jvietor: while the crippled pentagon was decimated by a japan airliner .e
Mortsport: to even think about what went through the minds of the people that jumped from the wtc instead of facing the fires behind them is uncomprehensible
grillbill: what about the people who saw one collapse and were trapped in the other one?
autumn: i feel for all those that knew what was coming
jvietor: they will need to restructure the financial markets.
grillbill: this could tip the balance
Viper: This will probably cause a major recession as there will be a lot of money men, and half done deals missing.
Mortsport: back then bin laden was fighting for the afghans against russia
mdreier: yeah - and that was when the US supported him
jvietor: there will be serious reprocussions in the markets.
grillbill: the FTSE100 fell 250 points
Mortsport: during the gulf war he denounced the US and lost his citizenship in saudi arabia
mws: Buy ASE on ASE, maker of fine X-ray scanning systems.
tom: all the indices except athens
jvietor: not to mention lack of faith in the destinations being reached during flight.
Tut: Hey USA our thoughts are with you but... The rest of the world is counting on you to get back on your feet and move again. Do what you got to do with the enemy and move on!
autumn: thanks Tut
jvietor: the FAA will revamp their security priorities and there will be serious fallout in airline rates and scheduling.
CokeBear: Congress is singing...
Viper: Air travel will not be the same again. I can't see the US allowing any flights in from anywhere but 1st world countries and then only if they get to beef up the security.
Mortsport: we just hope this is a worldwide effort to squash the terrorists
autumn: you are probably right viper
Mortsport: yes, they were singing god bless america
NewOrder: yeah I too agree that this has gone too far
jvietor: canada has also closed their airports.
NewOrder: so who is the 2nd world
NewOrder: we only hear 1 and 3
grillbill: london has made a no fly zone around it and drafted more police in
pippy: Europe is the "old world" -- 1St -- we are the "new world" -- 2nd --- asia & beyond -- third world
NewOrder: wait, but the hijackers boarded the plains at a US airport?
Viper: At Belfast airport they used to body search you at the door. They scanned all the registrations of the cars and pulled cars up on the approach roads, not just one or two but half of them
NewOrder: I think there is reason to be suspicious of certain passengers
jvietor: flying will be tricky business. we may enter into isolationism as in after world war 2
maturin: there are 12,000 stranded travellers in Halifax
Mortsport: they're estimating 200 out of the 400 firefighters might have perished
maturin: I fly into Newark almost once a month... hard to imagine not seeing those towers on the horizon
millennium: I work for Merrill Lynch at the World Financial Center....I didnt even make it to the building...thank Gokd I was an hour late todaya!
NewOrder: well, not anymore maturin
maturin: for sure millennium!
lewscannon: what shape is the wfc in, millenium?
Tut: good for you Millenium hope your colleages are ok
millennium: not good...its the building right next door to the wfc
NewOrder: so is gnu still cheating
millennium: i hope so too...i havent heard from anyone
lewscannon: i know. i used to work for lehman
millennium: many of the people that i commute with work at the wfc
NewOrder: they should crush a propeller into gnu so he quits che3ating
millennium: so did i lews
millennium: yep
millennium: i am determined to find a job closer to home now!
millennium: where is that
Danica: yes all the money in the world isnt worth it,just think of all those high paid government officials
pixe: my nephew works for bloomberg .. night shift cant get in .. they have to stay ..
TheIrishman: what companies are based in the WTC?
heymark: hundreds
millennium: many irishman...40,000 workerws
pippy: this type of terrorism is impossible to defend against
TheIrishman: Chase Manhattan ? i have a cousin there - just realised
peachy: Xerox had an office there
peachy: Hi there squegger!!! :^)
peachy: Hey there Greg!!! :^)
squegger: hey peaches!!
grillbill: greg!!!!!!!
GregS: grillusbillus!
grillbill: cheers
peachy: wb jc!!! :^)
JCoyne: hello beautiful
JCoyne: fancy a 1 pointer
peachy: thanks - but can't right now....
peachy: :^)
flat_eric: ok folks I wish you all the best ...... may god bless the victims .......... and may god give their friends and relatives the strength to get over it ! bless you
flat_eric waves goodbye.
JCoyne: well stated
JCoyne: time for some hard core flag waving
mimbing: thnx 4 the match
Bob: 1/3/5/7/9 pointer please
Mortsport: these terrorists should come and visit us like in "red dawn"
Mortsport: they'd have a hard time getting past our duck hunters
Bob: 1/3/5/7/9 pointer please
CokeBear: Bush is talking...
peachy: Hi again & good evening phs!! :^)
trixie: bush really needs a new speech writer!
isis: absolutely
squegger: what would you have him say?
Mortsport: really
trixie: i have big ears and i don't know how to run a country?
Mortsport: he said everything l wanted to hear
mimbing: I wouldn't want to be president...think about it....
squegger: do you want to hear "we are gonna blow the f***ing sand niggers who are responsible off the map"...?
Mortsport: you have a feeling that your hands are tied
Zorba: Hello :)
mimbing: yes
grillbill: that would be a start
squegger: so you what him to say "they are partying on the west bank... it will be a crater by morning!"...?
maturin: yeah!
grillbill: yay!!
mimbing: YES
trixie: oh god no. but i think his writers are horrible. and he's not very good at reading them either.
Zorba: i see mentality hasnt changed :/
squegger: or how about "even the mother f***ers who claim they are responsible will be history...even if we know they are to hapless to do anything on this grand a scale!!!"...?
chita waves goodbye.
Mortsport: the ultimate friendship would be to see one of our allies go after the terrorists and bring them to us
Zorba: does Iran count as an ally?
mimbing: there you go Mort
nenabr: tkx for you too
Zorba: I dont know, but itsn't the whole idea of kamikaze that the terrorist is already dead?
TheIrishman: if the US blows up a couple of towns/cities in middle-east you will be giving many children lots of motivation to do the same in 10 or 20 years - violence begets violence - it rarely ends it
GregS: very true Irishman
grillbill: blow them up too
DavidRogers: very true, Irishman
Zorba: yes, well, but msome Americans will think the native Americans never stroke back..?
Mortsport: if they harbor the terrorists then yes that will happen
GregS: this whole thing is truely terrible and I feel for the victims and their families, but the recriminations worry me too
Mortsport: it would worry you even more if we just turned our backs on this
Mortsport: wouldn't it?
GregS: you can't, clearly, turn your backs - it is a quandery
Bob: 3 pointer please
peachy: quite a quandery Greg...
Mortsport: this is pretty clear cut
GregS: oh?
Zorba: seems to me prevention is more urgent than reataliation
Zorba: hiya peachy!
peachy: Hi there Zorba!!! :^)
burper: at this magnitude, massive retaliation will be prevention
peachy: prevention?? of other airliners being hi-jacked???
Mortsport: we are talking retribution here
peachy: hi there Macmom! :^)
DavidRogers: If some anonymous stranger kills your friend, should you kill a bunch of strangers to make you feel better?
peachy: Hello colohiker!! :^)
GregS: and that will solve what?
MacMom: Hi peachy! :-)
Mortsport: it's pretty clear cut that something WILL happen
colohiker: Howdie peaches :)
GregS: yep
MacMom: Hello, colohiker! :-)
colohiker: Hiyas MacMom :)
burper: anonymous?
Zorba: that something better not be aimed at inocent people (also)
squegger: well, david, if a group of strangers draws straws and sends one of them to die killing your friend, then yes, you go after the group....
colohiker: Hello there Zorba :)
Mortsport: l'm sure it won't be
Zorba: hiya colo!
peachy: it is hard to understand - why people were dancing in the streets when this happened here
Mortsport: but there are ALWAYS casualities
GregS: fanaticism
Tatwo: is it true that people from NY can't come on the inet?
Mortsport: they were palastinians
Mortsport: no wonderment there
peachy: no - I've seen a few from NYC on here earlier
CokeBear: Holy Shit, I've been on FIBS for 12 hours straight now
CokeBear: I should take the shout log and post it to the web
Tatwo: oke thanx peachy.......
colohiker: I have been watching this since early this morning - I am in a state of disbelief that is turning into comprehension
Mortsport: l'm sure some immigrants will be gathered up and questioned
Zorba: oh well... americans did also celebrate victory in Iraq didn't they?
TheIrishman: the people dancing in the streets may see this as their Hiroshima - they may hope that it will end their problems ( i do not necessarily agree)
Mortsport: zorba, victory?
Mortsport: even cuba denounced what happened
colohiker: the President has made it clear that the country from which these terrorists came will be punished and I assume that means near total destruction
CokeBear: NIHILIST? Your thoughts?
burper: anyone that doesn't want to be nuked should denounce it
peachy: not by dancing in the streets Zorba - I clkearly recall being a scared college student
maturin: this cannot go unanswered
burper: unanswering is begging for more
Zorba: there was a ticker parade
Zorba: generals showing videos of "succesful bombardments"
Mortsport: the mushroom cloud looked nukish on the 2nd hit
squegger: even arafat publicly denounced it, but I bet he is partying now in private....
burper: bombardments of criminals
Zorba: making jokes about a happy Iraqi that had just crossed the bridge...
colohiker: I thinka nuclear response is way off base
peachy: I agree with colohiker
Mortsport: we don't need nukes to bring them to justice
Mortsport: there would be nothing left to bring
maturin: get Bin Laden, Kahdaffi, and Saddam.... for starters
Zorba: mort, do you volunteer for retaliation?
Mortsport: in a heartbeat
peachy: Zorba - what do you think should be done??
GregS: everyone is looking for a 'quick fix', in health, in everything. Everone is also looking to blame someone else for their situation. There are no quick fixes, no pill will fix anything. The only way forward is through understanding and acceptance - not of this violence, but of what makes a person do these things and tackling the issue from that angle. Solve the problem at the source, don't try to whipe it all out because you'll miss bits that will come back to hurt you later
colohiker: good point Greg
TheIrishman: good advice Greg
Zorba: if this attack is "over" now, I don't think a quick reaction is needed peachy
peachy: True Greg!! But no perfect way to do that....
squegger: agree... no quick reaction...
maturin: no one is saying it has to be quick.. just has to be done
Mortsport: where should this start, exactly?
peachy: I don't see any reason to believe this attack is over....
burper: not quick, just thorough
Mortsport: it's easy to say what should be done
squegger: in fact, speculating on an appropriate reaction at this point is premature....
Zorba: problem is the terrorists themselves are already dead
colohiker: there will be severe sabre rattling in Congress shortly, along with intensifying anger in the American people as their shock turns to anger - look out
Mortsport: but logistics sometimes get in the way
squegger: nukes should not be ruled out!
DavidRogers: But whom do you want to blow up? The penalty for schadenfreude should not be death. I would support America in retaliation - we in Britain are in stunned disbelief, and share your horror - but WHO DID IT? THEY should die, not some miserably poor Arabs in Palestine
peachy: why do you say that Zorba??? there had to be a leader of those terrorists..
GregS: and if you kill one or one hundred - will that fix it?
Mortsport: why do you think the US backed out of the midddle eastern talks?
TheIrishman: will killing 100 leaders make up for 1000s of deaths
maturin: Bush's reaction was appropiate
squegger: the knowledge that we are unlikely to use nukes makes these cowardly terrorists very brave!
GregS: or one thousand or one million?
Zorba: yes..I hope it's possible to identify those, peachy...not easy though
peachy: true Zorba!
burper: so Greg, we should all just bow down to evil and give up. coward
Mortsport: those people have been warring over land for THOUSANDS of years
Zorba: and after ID, it might be difficult to act properly...
peachy: ID??
GregS: no - never - we should face it and confront it and try to find out why it is that others see us as a threat
Zorba: the evil already happened burper..
maturin: let em fight... but not here!
Mortsport: do you actually think we should start peace talks after this
Zorba: identification
Mortsport: or anytime soon
peachy: OK thanks Zorba
Zorba: peace talks never hurt
peachy: I was thinking ID = Independence Day :^) (I'm not thinking straight)
GregS: surely - it is about time that peace became an option - to achieve that it requires understanding
GregS: not of why others cause such attrocities
peachy: peace is a very hard sell!!!
Mortsport: you know it's not as if we DON'T offer assistance to people that need it either
colohiker: In the book The Sum of All Fears where terrorists smuggled a nuke into the US and set it off, the terrorists were identified and the President was faced with the choice of a counterstrike, he declined and I think it was the moral choice
maturin: peace talks are harmful when they become mere enabling
squegger: peace is obviously *not* an option.... did you see the films?????
GregS: but what is going wrong in their lives or situations
Zorba: peachy talks? lol :)
colohiker: peach wine coolers too
peachy: thanks Zorba:^)
Zorba: peace is always an option
GregS: peace is an option - we all have the power to forgive and to create a peace - it requires supreme effort on all sides, but it can be done
peachy: I do think I could use a drink...
Mortsport: in order to get our assistance you have to assimilate to a civilized way of life
squegger: the key there, Greg is "all sides".... you have just proven my point.... peace is not an option for all sides....
Zorba: not everything that USA does is civilized
peachy: Greg - as much as I would like to agree with you - I don't think Peace is an option - there is no way to get a buy in now...
burper: we live in an uncivil world
GregS: but it could be, squegger - find the reason why the other side cannot accept it and work on that
colohiker: In the end we will be unable to ID the source of the attack so we will blame Afganistan and then bomb the Cinese Embassy ;)
peachy: I agree with Zorba again - buut don't see a goodanswer
colohiker: Chinese
squegger: they cannot accept our way of life!!!
GregS: we live in an unfair world
Ged: Surely the US shold reevaluate their foreign policy and look for the reasons why they are offending so many people around the world... Their support of the Israely (SP?) occupation of Palestinien land for instance...
Mortsport: if there is resistance, this could be grounds for WW lll
Zorba: lol colo
peachy: Ugh!! - Mort - let's hope not!!
CokeBear: I've been on FIBS for 12 straight hours. I should take the shout log and post on the web
peachy: hi there Pebbles!!! :^)